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Question "English" Golden retriever pedigree questions

I have been looking into breeders in other countries (and a few in the US with "English" lines) and have noticed that the amount of champions and titled dogs in a 5 generation pedigree is significantly lower. It's not uncommon to find a well bred American golden with 50+ champs in 5 generations, but I am struggling to find English goldens with even 40 champs. Also I have noticed that many breeders only show and title one or two of their dogs. Why is this?
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You could try Goldnote Goldens, north of Toronto, Canada British English Type Golden Retriever | American Retriever Puppies

or Kyon Kennels, in Ontario Canada
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I believe there is a forum member who recently picked up his puppy from goldnotes, and he lives in the states, not sure where. And I think there are a few members with Kyon dogs as well. I don't know either breeder personally only by reputation and seeing some of their dogs.

Good luck in your search for a puppy.
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Hopefully some of the members in the UK will comment but it's my understanding that putting a championship on a dog in England is a more difficult process than it is in the US with the result that there are proportionately fewer English champions.
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Hi there from Barnaby an English golden. In general I think there are alot more rules and regulations with regard to breeding and showing. When we got Barn 12 years ago we had to sign documents saying we would NOT breed or show him. This was a shame as he is from the Cinmarsh lineage and is the grandson and son of world champions. Wherever they are from they are all perfect. Hugs to all.
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it is much more difficult to put a UK Show Championship on a dog than in the US. In the US the unfinished dogs (those without a championship) only have to beat other dogs who don't have championships to get points toward their championship. In the UK the dog has to also compete against the specials (the dogs with championships) this makes finishing a dog much more difficult. I am sure some of the UK folks will chime in a bit more if you need more information.

In the US if you have "English" style dogs, the way the US standard is written and applied makes it very difficult to finish those dogs in the AKC... The Canadian standard generally accepts the style a bit more depending on where you are with the East Coast of Canada being more accepting than the West. This means that for those of us in the Northern States, going to Canada to get a championship is much more doable than for those who live in the middle or southern states.

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Hi there from Barnaby an English golden. In general I think there are alot more rules and regulations with regard to breeding and showing. When we got Barn 12 years ago we had to sign documents saying we would NOT breed or show him. This was a shame as he is from the Cinmarsh lineage and is the grandson and son of world champions. Wherever they are from they are all perfect. Hugs to all.
Reputable breeders make puppy people sign similar documents here as well. Regardless of a pedigree and what the lineage is, in any litter there are only a couple of dogs that are show quality regardless of how wonderful the pedigree is. Your breeder obviously determined that Barnaby was a dog who she considered a pet puppy for whatever reason... it doesn't mean that he is not beautiful but just that he was not a show dog for whatever reason. It is the sign of a responsible breeder.
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To make a dog a show champion in the UK they have to win 3 best of sex at a championship show(challenge certificate). They have to win their class and then all winners of the classes compete for the best dog/ bitch Challenge certificate. All dogs compete for the CC including dogs that are champions It is not uncommon to have several champions competing and some people try to win as many CC's as possible. Our entries have dropped recently to about 200 overall but when my dog won BOB at Crufts he beat over 500 goldens to win his first CC Annef
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Any clue how championships work in the rest of Europe seeing as how, the "English Cream" fad is backed by dogs from Eastern Europe as opposed to England?
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With regard to putting breeding restrictions on many breeders now do this as well as the restriction that the dog is not allowed to be issued with an export pedigree. This is to stop people buying puppies and then selling them on overseas. Most breeders will lift a breeding restriction if their criteria has been met, in my case a below average hip score, elbow score of 1 or less and a current eye certificate and approval of the stud dog or bitch coming to a stud dog. Hope this info helps. Annef
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Champion certs are much easier to win in Europe as they have a champions class which means that once a dog has won its title (CAC's)it competes in the champions class and dogs that have not won a CAC do not compete against champions Annef
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