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post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 12-31-2012, 01:25 PM
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Please keep comments to the topic at hand. There is room for disagreement but do it politely. In my opinion, Sheetz and Megora are spot on in regard to Silvermjne. I wouldn't wish a puppy of theirs in my worst enemy ( if I had one! ) Please do a search on the forum about them.
That may very well be true; I do not know as I have never had any dealings with this breeder nor have I inquired about any puppy from them. I personally would not make a judgement based on hear-say from anonymous individuals.

We obtained one puppy without meeting and developing a relationship with the breeder and poor thing had seizures from age 4 to his death at age 13. Will never do that again.

However the slander and attempted stalking (even if not successful) to my knowledge are not permitted on this forum.


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However the slander and attempted stalking (even if not successful) to my knowledge are not permitted on this forum.
I would be careful about lobbing serious accusations at other forum members. I do not see any evidence of stalking in this thread. The information that has been mentioned in this thread was posted in the forum some time ago, I actually remember it so it doesn't surprise me that someone else would too. I would suggest that in the future, if you don't want something made public do not post it on the internet.

And I also second CarolinaCasey's request to keep the thread on topic or it will be closed.

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Go on the website Dog Breeder Complaint board. You can type breeders name in and see what people had to say about them. I did this before I purchased my puppy. 2 of the breeders I contacted had complaints about them so,I steered clear!!!
http://www.complaintsboard.com/bysub...-breeders.html At the top type in the name of the breeder and hit search. You will be surprised at what you will find!!
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I don't know much about titles across the pond. Here at home in North America, here is some title information.

Dogs of a English or European style are very popular and competitive in Canada it seems concentrated in Onterio. So, it is not uncommon for dogs of this type to be taken to Canada to compete and earn a Candian Championship.
For those in the West or Southwest that trip to Canada maybe cost prohibitive.

It is very difficult to successfully show a dog of this type to an AKC championship. So, it is less common to see.

There is the option to show in the UKC. In my area I have seen English/European style dogs compete and earn UKC Championships. They are not as hard to win as a AKC title but are still a great indicator the dog is a good representative of the breed. There are not as many of these shows and geographically they are not close to some areas.

There is also the International Dog shows. These are also not held as often and are not always available depending on your area. They award Championships a little differently. Every dog is judged and given a rating. 3 qualifying ratings = National Champion, 4 = International Champion. I love these shows as a place to practice and as a venue for rare or developing breeds. The downside for me is that it is not competition based. Meaning that dogs who have never even placed can be awarded Champion status. So, to me this title caries little weight if earned in a North America.

Finally, is the CCA a program brought to us by the GRCA. It is a valuable tool and personally to me I like it more than an International Championship.

I hope this information helps when trying to decipher pedigrees. Good luck!


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Claudia, there is no defending Silvermine. He repeatedly breeds dogs who are too young to have clearances. His operation is well known to breeders in the North American breed community who have English lines. None of us would ever knowingly sell a dog to him, and we warn our overseas contacts about him as well. He has a slick marketing operation, not a sound breeding program. His goal is to sell expensive puppies, not breed good Goldens. He does nothing with his dogs but breed them. And breed them. And breed them. It is because of people like him and White Dove, and Cyanzar, that good breeders like AnneF are now so very cautious about exporting their pups to North America. Because of his ilk, reputable people like myself (who title dogs in conformation, field, and obedience, belong to breed clubs and serve on their executive, and give our time back as judges) now have far fewer choices if we want to bring in fresh lines for our programs.

I know you are coming from a place of loving your Rose--but you can love her without trying to defend undefensible breeding practises. Separate yourself from that part of her history and move ahead with a focus on what reputable breeders do so that more people can find the resources that will help them avoid operations that do not have the dogs' best interests in mind.

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Shelly, as per my PM I do not know nor have I ever met the Silvermine people. I do respect your opinion and a very few others on this forum.


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