I think Silvermine has a clause which basically threatened puppy buyers with a lawsuit if they post any criticism of the business.

Why the heck would you consider calling a business like that in the interest of buying one of their products? Which honestly, with these big commercial kennels, that's all their dogs are to them.

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In Sweden we have the SKK (Swedish Kennel Club). All serious and quality stamped breeders and their current litters can be found through the website. The breeders are guaranteed to follow the rules and regulations for breeding ( for healthy dogs and according to the dog race standard). Also we have a database called rasdata. There you can see all the litters and ancestors of a specific dog/breeder also the results of all the test ( e.g. Elbow, hips, eyes etc).



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I haven't seen anything like that in their website. Plus I rather actually talk to a person instead of making judgments and assumptions on what I think and find out for sure. Based on the website I can't tell really what kind of owners they are. They are pretty far from me anyway so I doubt I will really go there and look at their puppies. But if they are nice and open they wouldn't mind talking. Even a phone call would not actually determine what kind of people they are.
Unfortunately in the US world, lawsuits, complaints and defamation of character is quite predominant - sometimes without actual knowledge, just based on assumptions.

Attacking? Seriously? You purchased a pup from a friend who you couldn't wait for her golden to have pups--well she did and what she was a mere 8 mos old when she was bred? You felt bad the breeder kept the dogs outdoors. You also stated you felt like you "rescued" Rose as you were afraid someone was going to purchase her to breed her and then not a second later, you stated you wanted Rose to have a litter. When clearances were mentioned, you stated you would rely only on your vet to judge whether or not Rose would be healthy enough to be bred, there was no mention of specialists until much, much later which is when I'm guessing you took the time to learn about clearances.

Sorry that you feel I attacked your vet, but I think it's crazy & unfair to the breed to be so haphazard with breeding practices.

Read the contract.

There are better "english style" breeders in the US who actually set the bar higher when it comes to what they breed, how often they breed, and how they select homes for their puppies. There are definitely 2-3 breeders in the US who I think have beautiful dogs. I think I said before that somebody I church with recently contacted a very good breeder from the UK and was directed to purchase from a breeder in Ontario. The breeder essentially said that there were very few breeders who sold the "english style" in the US that she could recommend.

With Jacks breeder - I decided to go elsewhere for our next puppy because they've gone fully into the English style. And the sad thing is the goldens they are breeding are not really that great to look at. And I think that is the case with a lot of these commercial kennels, is that they know that the consumers are looking for a color and a style, and don't really have much to compare to.

With American style goldens - there is a DEFINITE comparision that we can see from the backyard bred or poor quality goldens and what is in the rings. There isn't the same visual guide available for a lot of average joes who just want "white goldens".

I had to laugh (after, I was very discreet at the time) when I was at a petstore last week with both my guys and the lady at the counter was enthusing about how goldens get along with all breeds. And she referred to her brother's "english irish cream retriever" repeatedly, described it as a big white dog with a thick white coat or something like that. And her brother's golden retriever just got along wonderfully with this english irish cream retriever.

I think those commercial breeders - like the silvermines and white doves and whoever whatever else... they can sell poor quality goldens for higher prices because most people don't really know better.

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Once again SheetsSM - you jump to conclusions and once again I mentioned my vets' specialists. I have asked many other members of this forum and they all understood that my vet refers me to the specialists that can process all the clearances.
As of today you will be blocked from my view and I shall never have the headache to read your comments. You are making assumptions and quite frankly I am getting the feeling that you are trying to stalk me.

In the case of this particular dog, the oldest litter he sired as recorded in K9data was whelped when he was 1 yr and a couple of days so I'm guessing there are no clearances.

Megora, this is the very first time we actually owned a so called english/european irish cream retriever or whatever others are calling it. The reason we went this way was because I decided that I did not want the next puppy in the house to look anything like the ones before. I wanted her to be her and not compared to any previous pup.
Honestly, I am in love with her and her temperament. I could not have asked/chosen for a better one. I got all the papers available from the breeder before birth and then since I speak Romanian among other languages I also contacted the GGF breeder and got papers emailed to me from there.
As far as the kennel in discussion - I went and read the contract - I am assuming that any breeder, including the ones on this forum would prefer their name not slandered on the web. I am assuming they would prefer that the concerned buyer would actually contact them first with any concerns.
What concerns me more than the slander/defamation of character issue is the fact they ask for a $500 non refundable fee. IMHO that means they do not know the people they sell the puppies to. I have seen arguments on this forum for that so called non-refundable fee but I just don't buy it. If you create a relationship with the breeder way ahead of time there should be no pretense of deception.

BTW Megora - your always loved, never forgotten boy - with the back in the signature - is absolutely beautiful. I hope to have time tomorrow if I get over this flu to take Belle's pic and scan it - the coloring is almost the same.

Please keep comments to the topic at hand. There is room for disagreement but do it politely. In my opinion, Sheetz and Megora are spot on in regard to Silvermjne. I wouldn't wish a puppy of theirs in my worst enemy ( if I had one! ) Please do a search on the forum about them.