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Believe it or not competition in Europe is more stringent than in the US. That stands for Eastern Europe and even more so as the people who actually own dogs and show dogs are more rare than in the West. There are not as many trainers therefore the money that you put in the dog is even higher then here.

Here you will see that the so called bad Eastern Europeans are involved in the European Shows.
Note that one of the judges is from Romania. The Euro dog show this year took place also in Romania.

Many people here do not realize the actual sacrifice people in Eastern Europe do make to raise those wonderful furry friends.


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Many people here do not realize the actual sacrifice people in Eastern Europe do make to raise those wonderful furry friends.
Which makes me wonder if they sacrifice so much then why in the world would they repeatedly allow their dogs to be shipped to the US and end up in kennels like White Dove, Cynazar & every other high volume & BYB breeder looking to cash in on the "cream" fad.
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There are reputable breeders in Eastern Europe, some of which are personal friends and they do care for their dogs. Like everywhere there are people who breed only for money Annef

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You are going to have good breeders and bad breeders everywhere. Just like on this forum we have nice people and sarcastic ones.
Frankly I am quite happy that Rose's great grandfather is from Romania. I have a copy of his Certified Export Pedigree (with roots in Germany, Russia and England) along with all the other papers and a furry baby in my house that everytime we look at her we tell ourselves that there is no way we could have found a better dog. There is such a wonderful combination of spike, stubbornness and eagerness to please in her - she is just amazing.

Also what you have to keep in mind is that sometimes they also get cheated by the breeders with nice websites etc in the US who promise the land and the moon to their beloved dog's offspring. Just like the people in the US get cheated by the same websites.

To me cream is not a fad, it is simply a color and stature preference. I personally like either the very dark golden or the very light golden. Both of which would not be accepted in the US conformation shows.


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There are reputable breeders in Eastern Europe, some of which are personal friends and they do care for their dogs. Like everywhere there are people who breed only for money Annef
It's just sad when there are so many bad ones capitalizing on the demand in the US for light colored pups, touting that the dogs come from "champion" lines. This is why I was curious on how easy it was to obtain a championship cause I can't imagine the good breeders repeatedly sending dogs to the likes of Cynazar & White Doves of the world nor to those BYBs looking only to produce puppies without purpose or thought behind the breedings.
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Sometimes it can be easy for people to be taken in by the promise of a good home, acres of land and care of the dog. People don't always tell the truth! I was horrified to find some of my breeding behind some of the worst kennels and for that reason I now only export to close friends and they have to sign to say that no puppies will ever be exported to the US. I know that reading these messages there are many lovely homes in the US where the dogs have a wonderful life but I won't take the risk of any of my dogs ending up in these commercial kennels Annef

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Frankly I am quite happy that Rose's great grandfather is from Romania.
And unfortunately, he's being bred repeatedly by Silvermine kennels--no clearances listed on OFA. It's sad.
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Some may have clearances abroad if they have been exported as adults, there is a database for clearances for Scandinavia but none in Europe as far as I know. In the UK every result is published so we can access all data before breeding Annef

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I have all the papers that came with him from Romania and I would have another of his pups any day, any time.


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AnneF - SheetsSM has been attacking my vets and my vets' specialists that my DH has used for over 30 years on all his previous goldens in a previous thread.

I have looked at silvermine kennels and at first look it seems like a nice facility with happy customers - the one with the child with leg braces brought puddles of tears, and passed all the AKC inspections completely (I do wonder why they were inspected every three years it seems - is that normal?). They do seem to have mostly imported dogs from Russia and Spain.
LOL - I might consider giving them a call!


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