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Old 12-01-2012, 10:49 PM
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Is this a good Pedigree?

After I went to a dog show today, I was introduced to a lady that has puppies for sale currently. They are 2 weeks old and she only has 1 male left. She told me that she is breeding her current dog for the first time. She doesn't have a website but she says she has certifications for everything. She also had the semen from the Sire shipped to impregnate the female. Should I be concerned about that? I plan on visiting her house within the next few days to see how she has everything set up. Any concerns I should have about the pedigree? Thank you so much for the help!!

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Dam: Keys Gold Trueboo Miss Miley K9data info, OFA info
Sire: Goodtime's O'Brown Sugar K9data info, OFA info
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There are many people with more experience on GRF, but the only thing I see is stud dogs CERF exam is from 2008. They should be done yearly, and it may have been done, and not submitted to OFA. Just ask the breeder if she has it. Is the stud dog still alive or is that why she had semen shipped?

To the experience breeders on here, the dam's clearances from OFA contain the suffix, NOPI, I thought that meant that the dog was not permanently identified. Is that an issue?
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There are many people with more experience on GRF, but the only thing I see is stud dogs CERF exam is from 2008. They should be done yearly, and it may have been done, and not submitted to OFA. Just ask the breeder if she has it. Is the stud dog still alive or is that why she had semen shipped?

To the experience breeders on here, the dam's clearances from OFA contain the suffix, NOPI, I thought that meant that the dog was not permanently identified. Is that an issue?
The stud is from Mexico and he's still alive. The breeder told me she saw the dog at a show last year and met him before she asked to use him for breeding. I'm not sure what you mean by the dog not being permanently identified. Can you elaborate more? Curious to see what the experienced breeders on here have to say about that.
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Shipping seamen is a fairly common practice when the boy you want to use is not local. I would guess by looking at his titles, this boy may be in South America though I would ask to verify. If he is now in South America, that could explain why he does not have a current eye clearance. No matter what boy is used, I would ask what the goal was for this litter? Why did she choose this particular boy?
I would suggest going for the visit and having a good conversation with breeder.
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The stud dog is in Mexico. I asked if he was still alive, because if he was not, that would explain the out of date eye clearance. I do not know if there is a CERF equivalent eye exam available in Mexico. Again, please ask the breeder, because it could be done and not submitted. I am in Canada and we can get CERF exams done and submitted to OFA.

No permanent identification means that the dog is not microchipped or tattooed. Please ask the breeder about this. Hopefully one of the breeders on the forum can explain if that is an issue or not.
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Is it a good pedigree?

Well that depends. What do you want in a dog? What are your priorities? It appears to be another linebreeding on Kirby.

I wouldn't touch this breeding with a ten foot pole, but then my focus and priorities are likely very different from yours.
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Krista is the breeder and is using Bola for this breeding. Bola has been used for a few litters recently in Florida. I would make sure you look at health and longevity in the lines. Also, temperment.
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Shipping seamen is a fairly common practice when the boy you want to use is not local. I would guess by looking at his titles, this boy may be in South America though I would ask to verify. If he is now in South America, that could explain why he does not have a current eye clearance. No matter what boy is used, I would ask what the goal was for this litter? Why did she choose this particular boy?
I would suggest going for the visit and having a good conversation with breeder.
I'm glad to hear it's a common practice. Very good points about asking why she choose this boy for her litter. Thank you for your input!

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The stud dog is in Mexico. I asked if he was still alive, because if he was not, that would explain the out of date eye clearance. I do not know if there is a CERF equivalent eye exam available in Mexico. Again, please ask the breeder, because it could be done and not submitted. I am in Canada and we can get CERF exams done and submitted to OFA.

No permanent identification means that the dog is not microchipped or tattooed. Please ask the breeder about this. Hopefully one of the breeders on the forum can explain if that is an issue or not.
It does say on K9data that she is microchipped but maybe it was done after testing? Hopefully a breeder on the forum can clear up this NOPI issue when it comes to clearances and what I should be aware of or not.

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Is it a good pedigree?

Well that depends. What do you want in a dog? What are your priorities? It appears to be another linebreeding on Kirby.

I wouldn't touch this breeding with a ten foot pole, but then my focus and priorities are likely very different from yours.
What I want in a dog is a male that is very handsome, has a 'blocky?' head with a great stance when standing. That when he walks with me, he prances with great confidence and will make all my neighbors look in 'aw'. A great family dog as well and gets along with everyone. Would love for him to also do 5ks with me as well as going to the beach too. Affectionate as well as protective when needed. Just a handsome all around guy that doesn't have to compete at anything - just be himself!

What do you mean about the linebreeding on Kirby. I looked up the pedigrees on both dogs and didn't see the name 'kirby' anywhere. Can you elaborate more on that and why you wouldn't touch this breed? Just curious on what your focus is on so I can see where you are coming from! :-)
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Kirby is the call name of Rush Hill's Haagen-Dazs a very well know and much used stud dog. He appears behind a lot of dogs active in the show ring and can be back there in the grand parent generation on several times. I believe Swampcollie was referring to this as line breeding because he is behind the dam once in the 4th gen and twice behind the sire 2nd and 4th gen.
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Kirby is the call name of Rush Hill's Haagen-Dazs a very well know and much used stud dog. He appears behind a lot of dogs active in the show ring and can be back there in the grand parent generation on several times. I believe Swampcollie was referring to this as line breeding because he is behind the dam once in the 4th gen and twice behind the sire 2nd and 4th gen.

I'm not sure what the difference is between inbreeding and linebreeding. Is there even a difference?
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