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Old 12-02-2012, 09:07 PM
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I'm not sure what the difference is between inbreeding and linebreeding. Is there even a difference?
I am curious about this too. Our Asia has Rush Hills Haagen-dazs and Kinsha in her pedigree as well.
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I'm not a breeder, and I'm pretty new to this world. BUT I 'ed linebreeding and found this

"Breeders of purebred livestock have introduced a term, linebreeding, to cover the milder forms of inbreeding. Exactly what the difference is between linebreeding and inbreeding tends to be defined differently for each species and often for each breed within the species. On this definition, inbreeding at its most restrictive applies to what would be considered unquestioned incest in human beings - parent to offspring or a mating between full siblings. Uncle-niece, aunt-nephew, half sibling matings, and first cousin matings are called inbreeding by some people and linebreeding by others."
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I would question the breeder on the clearances of the maternal parents, grand parents. etc. According to k9data, not much info on them.
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You will probably get what you want in terms of looks in this litter. The dam's sire is a well known show dog in FL and certainly has the "stance" you are describing Fab show dog.
I do not know the temperaments of the dogs at all; however Swampcollie is primarily a field trainer and I would agree this is not a breeding you would expect great hunting/performance dogs to come out of.
NOPI (No permanent identification) just means the dog wasn't tattooed or microchipped at the time of the clearance. It's a non-issue.
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Went and met the breeder today at her home. She is extremely sweet and took as much time as I needed to answer all my questions. She had me take off my shoes and wash my hands before I could even go in the room.

Background on her is that this is her second litter, first with Miley and she has had a lot of help from Candi Pearce (Geminigoldenretrievers.com) as far as picking out Bola. She has a great setup in the house and you could see the dedication when watching her with the puppies within the first 10 minutes. The runt of the litter kept getting pushed off Miley and she kept moving other puppies out of the way just so the runt could get some food. She also bottle feeds the puppies to help Miley out because 11 puppies is a lot for her.

History on Bola was that he was bred to Candi Pearce Gemini's dogs before Miley and she got a great litter out of it and that's why she recommended the dog. When I asked why she bred them she told me that both Bola and Miley has great temperament but she's hoping to get rid of Miley's big ears and gain better disposition and keep the great temperament she has. Miley is used as a therapy dog around the area which is great.

When I asked her about Bola's eye clearances, she showed me paperwork that was updated this year but it just hasn't been updated in K9data.

I also asked about the grandparents of Miley and how there isn't much on k9data. She told me about True (Miley's dad) and he has great lines but the Miley's mother was more of a field dog/pet and didn't really have any 'titles'. That's why it gets a little fuzzy on that side. Should I be concerned about this?

I also mentioned about the NOPI after the clearances and she told me she had Miley micro-chipped after she did the clearances. I'm not sure if she understood the importance of the NOPI/VPI/PI after the clearances and I'm not sure how big of a deal it actually is.

I told her I would think about all of this and let her know tomorrow if I want the last male. What do you guys think?
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Are you comfortable with the lack of clearances throughout the pedigree (correct me if they all have them)? I personally would not be.. Half of the Mom's side seem to be BYB dogs.. If she is asking for a price comparable to one of a well bred pup, I would definitely pass.


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Are you comfortable with the lack of clearances throughout the pedigree (correct me if they all have them)? I personally would not be.. Half of the Mom's side seem to be BYB dogs.. If she is asking for a price comparable to one of a well bred pup, I would definitely pass.


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I'm not entirely sure how big of a deal it is that the clearances lack around the 4th generation on the mom's side. My first golden was bought from a newspaper ad back in 1995 and we didn't even look up clearances - she lived to be 17. I'm not saying that clearances are not important but I feel like it's a possibility that they didn't even check them back then because it was just their pet? I'm really new at this so I don't mean to sound naive. Is the only reason why they get clearances is so they are able to breed them? I see a lot of dam/sire combos with a lot of their offspring or siblings missing on OFFA - why is that?
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I believe you could go way past five generations on my dogs and there would be clearances... I spoke to a breeder once who did not recommend doubling up on Kirby(Rushill's Haagen Daz, however you spell it... ). You can PM me for the anecdote/ gossip I have heard...
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