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"Hot" Foods (not temperature)

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#1 ·
Can someone explain to me what is meant by "Hot" foods? Was speaking with a neighbor who owns a pet supply store, and we were discussing what I feed my golden. She mentioned something about X being too "hot" for her during the summer months. I think she was referring to the type of protein?

I didn't have time to get into the conversation any deeper, so I thought I'd ask y'all.

Thanks!
 
#5 ·
Hmmm... well that was interesting, thanks! That probably answers the lamb question too.

Well, like you said, I doubt there is much of any science behind it. There probably isn't much science behind a lot of Eastern medicine, but sometimes it just works. I'm also not convinced, but I won't discard it either.
 
#4 ·
"Hot Foods" is a term used by hunters to describe high protein and sometimes high fat foods.

Some believe that feeding high protein in the summer makes a dog hot because when protein is used as a source of calories the chemical reaction creates heat, which is true. Protein is entropic which means that about 30% is lost in the conversion to energy. That 30% loss creates heat.

Hunters will normally use foods with 20 - 24% protein in the summer so energy comes from fat and carbs which are not entropic.

That term is a pretty rural term just like saying "feed" instead of food.
 
#6 ·
Interesting!

My girl has always been heat intolerant with temps over 70 degrees. I might actually try backing off on the venison and lamb during the summer, and concentrate on fish, rabbit and maybe duck. So the that brings up the whole duck thing. If I am training her in field, do I want her to actually eat duck? I've heard those against it and those that say it really doesn't matter...thoughts on that?

I'll report back if Bella seems to do better in the summer eating these foods. A little experiment. :)
 
#7 ·
Interesting!
If I am training her in field, do I want her to actually eat duck? I've heard those against it and those that say it really doesn't matter...thoughts on that?

I'll report back if Bella seems to do better in the summer eating these foods. A little experiment. :)
I was just reading something about this recently. I forget where. But, I don't think it matters. One suggestion though, was that your dog should not see you slaughter/butcher the animal and then feed it to them. The idea behind that is so they don't put 2 and 2 together; so they don't realize the meat you are feeding them comes from the game in the field.
 
#8 ·
There is the term hot foods by hunters and there is warm foods by Chinese medicine and Ayurveda ancient Indian medicine. They are based constitutionally but in cases seasonally, for example you generally want to have cooler foods in the summer and warmer in winter and this can be literal as in salads or less literal like cumin or aloe, there are 3 main constitutions vata, pita, and kapha

Vata is generally smaller build, tendency to be on the thinner side

Pita is lean, medium build and muscular

Kapha is larger build muscular, and tendency to get chubby

Vata individuals tend to be too "cold" and generally need Warmer fattier foods with more protein and less carbs. Highly warming foods include ginger and spices

Pita individuals are too "hot" generally need more carbohydrates less starch though, less fat.

Kapha individuals go with the season and need less carbs and fat and more protein.

My mother is an Ayurvedic doctor so I had a lot of exposure to it in my teens and thought it was total bull but quite frankly when I don't listen to her Ayurvedic diet guidances I feel like **** so I just go with it, lol. As for dogs, I guess the principles could be transferred, I never seen if been used though.


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My mother is an Ayurvedic doctor so I had a lot of exposure to it in my teens and thought it was total bull but quite frankly when I don't listen to her Ayurvedic diet guidances I feel like **** so I just go with it, lol. As for dogs, I guess the principles could be transferred, I never seen if been used though.
Please ask your mother if she is aware of these principles being transferred to dogs.
 
#12 ·
She says she's heard a fair bit about the yin yang principles being used on dogs, and had applied those principles to my old dogs, in how they were fed and supplemented, and by that I don't mean traditional supplementation more like ginger, turmeric, etc

She said that the Ayurvedic principles do apply to dogs and are often why one dog will do perfectly fine on a food while one may do horribly on another, and why sone dogs may change in the sensitivity to foods as constitutions change over time, but are harder to apply since they also are used mentally (ie vata tends to be disorganized) and that the changes in diet and exercise can be very different based on the mental type, she also gave me an example, a kapha kapha-vata ( me ) ( the physical type goes first, mental second) kapha kapha-vata is that im a large build very muscular, easily gains weight, tall, the kapha vata is mental, it means strong willed and stubborn very opinionated and the vata is disorganized and scattered. requires very little starches and is generally best with as few grains as possible. High protein and can handle a good ammount of fat. Needs lots of exercise otherwise easily become fat, high intensity short term exercise and aerobic are best. If I was just kapha pita it would be abit different requires some starches and is generally best with as few grains. High protein and cant handle too much fat. Needs lots of cardio otherwise easily become fat, long runs and swimming are best.

She said Afew things about wetness and dryness too but it's kinda complex you can message me if you want

The idea with the doshas is that you want to be balanced have an even ammount of all three doshas, the best of each, my mother for example she's a yoga teacher, business woman , whine most people wouldn't guess is in her 40s, amazing health, organized, large build but in very good shape, every dosha she's got she lacks the negatives, that's the idea of it. Ayurveda is meant to live as long as possible so therefore exhaust our karma ( Hindu principle)

With dogs she threw down Afew points for the transferability to dogs

Physical doshas:
Kapha: warmer dogs do best in cool dry enviroments.trouble in the heat, larger build, prone to hypothyroidism, lung, and lymph issues. joint issues and arthritis, fair skinned. Need cooler foods like whitefish and duck. Avoid grain. Greens are good. Coconut oil is a good supplementation. KEEP EXERSIZED

Pitta: medium build, prone to digestive issues, ulcers, general organ issues such as spleen and liver. easily build muscle, generally lean and muscular. Oily skin. neutral foods like fatty fish and beef work best. Don't do well with nuts and seeds.

Vata: small build, cold dogs, handle cold badly but heat relatively well. Dry skin. Prone to hyperthyroidism ear issues, nerve issues and bone issues. and have trouble getting fat and muscle mass. Very fast agile dogs, particularly hunting dogs. Prone to skin issues and cancers. Stay away from plant proteins and plant products are crucial these are the dogs that benefit most from a prey model raw diet or a grain free high protein and fat diet. They do well on warmer meats like venison, lamb, and pork. The level of carbs to protein isn't that crucial but they need a lot of fats, thrive most with additional supplementations of fatty acids, just make sure you minimize vegetable madder, sweet potato is one exeption as with regular potato. Hard Exersizes are good such as light weight cart pulling and swimming. Turmeric is a great supplement as is ginger.


Mental doshas:

Kapha: calm temperament, VERY loyal. Lazy, don't do well as pampered dogs, require a busy lifestyle, do great as guardian dogs, and if you give them a purpose they will stick to it. They are stubborn and may not be the best obedience dogs.

Vata: clever, smart dogs, very obedient. Work great as hunting dogs as they are very quick. Require routine to thrive, calm but tough Exersizes, like pulling a wagon, swimming, walking.

Pitta: generally more aggressive and often the less intelligent dogs, requires a calm life and a good dog owner mutual relationship is crucial for these dogs as they are most often the trouble dogs.

The combos can vary the diet requirements greatly so just message me and il see if I know how it might change or ask my mother.





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With dogs she threw down Afew points for the transferability to dogs

Physical doshas:
Kapha: warmer dogs do best in cool dry enviroments.trouble in the heat, larger build, prone to hypothyroidism, lung, and lymph issues. joint issues and arthritis, fair skinned. Need cooler foods like whitefish and duck. Avoid grain. Greens are good. Coconut oil is a good supplementation. KEEP EXERSIZED

Pitta: medium build, prone to digestive issues, ulcers, general organ issues such as spleen and liver. easily build muscle, generally lean and muscular. Oily skin. neutral foods like fatty fish and beef work best. Don't do well with nuts and seeds.

Vata: small build, cold dogs, handle cold badly but heat relatively well. Dry skin. Prone to hyperthyroidism ear issues, nerve issues and bone issues. and have trouble getting fat and muscle mass. Very fast agile dogs, particularly hunting dogs. Prone to skin issues and cancers. Stay away from plant proteins and plant products are crucial these are the dogs that benefit most from a prey model raw diet or a grain free high protein and fat diet. They do well on warmer meats like venison, lamb, and pork. The level of carbs to protein isn't that crucial but they need a lot of fats, thrive most with additional supplementations of fatty acids, just make sure you minimize vegetable madder, sweet potato is one exeption as with regular potato. Hard Exersizes are good such as light weight cart pulling and swimming. Turmeric is a great supplement as is ginger.


Mental doshas:

Kapha: calm temperament, VERY loyal. Lazy, don't do well as pampered dogs, require a busy lifestyle, do great as guardian dogs, and if you give them a purpose they will stick to it. They are stubborn and may not be the best obedience dogs.

Vata: clever, smart dogs, very obedient. Work great as hunting dogs as they are very quick. Require routine to thrive, calm but tough Exersizes, like pulling a wagon, swimming, walking.

Pitta: generally more aggressive and often the less intelligent dogs, requires a calm life and a good dog owner mutual relationship is crucial for these dogs as they are most often the trouble dogs.

The combos can vary the diet requirements greatly so just message me and il see if I know how it might change or ask my mother.





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Thanks for this info. I just now read it. For some reason, I did not get the email notification that there was a response on this thread. Anyway...

I am mostly interested in this because my older female has trouble with skin issues. She has always struggled with skin problems usually on the belly and paws. Occasionally on her lip folds. Hyperpigmentation and weeping sores. I have only noticed that she has particular problems with chicken which is considered a "hot" meat. However, she has never done well on any formula that I have tried over the last 10 years. I gave up about 5 years ago and just kept her on Wellness Core fish formula. She was still on antibiotics several times a year until we put her on Atopica about a year and a half ago. She has been doing great and has not had any problems since Atopica. Since I got a new puppy, it re-sparked my interest in what dog foods are out there. She is doing well right now on Orijen fish based formula, but it's too early to tell since she's only been on it for 3 weeks and I am still weaning her off of Atopica (currently only taking 25% of optimal dose). I have also been giving pre/probiotics, enzymes, and green tripe to try to "fix" her intestinal flora.

So, I'm wondering if this means I should stay away from "hot" meats. I am starting to give my puppy Ziwipeak venison as a topper on Orijen, but I'm hesitant to give it to my old dog. Typical western veterinarians will recommend meats like venison and lamb for dogs with allergies, however they are considered "hot" meats in eastern medicine. Which I guess means, I should stay away from them, right? I figure most Goldens are probably physically Kapha and mentally something between Kapha and Vata. So, if there is a relationship between canine nutrition and Ayurvedic nutritional guidelines, I guess I should stay away from "hot" meats, right? What do you (or your mom) really think I should do? Is that typically what a Ayurvedic doctor would tell someone with a golden retriever that has skin problems?

I just placed an order at mypetcarnivore. I got a bunch of green tripe (from cows - neutral), whole ground young bull (less than week old) (neutral), and whole ground rabbit (farm raised so it's cold). I intentionally stayed away from "hot meats". I would have liked to order some fresh lamb but I stayed away from that. I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing by avoiding lamb and venison or just depriving her of some yummy nutritional food.
 
#13 ·
Now that I look at it a lot of the principles make sense with my old dogs a d what foods they didn't do well with


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#15 ·
I'd say in the winter stay with more warm foods and in summer go to neutral. I like feeding a raw diet because you have more control over what you feed


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#16 ·
I find this thread educational and important, one of the reason I love this forum. I have done the Tui Na massage to my boy taught to me by my vet who also did his acupuncture.

I have used Arnica myself and also gave it to Tucker. Works wonders for pain.

I get the hot/cold food thing. Hopefully the eastern way of thinking catches up with our western views at some point.

I've said it before, this eastern methods have been around around for thousands of years, if it didn't work it would have been passed by the wayside.

I choose my side as necessary when it comes to my kids.
 
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