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post #21 of 104 (permalink) Old 01-26-2017, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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A couple of weeks ago we were shooting live flyers in training. I was having a bad day and couldn't hit the broad side of the barn for some reason. DH couldn't either. So one duck got away. The winds were super high that day, the ducks had a terrible time flying. It was also about 5 degrees. I watched where the duck landed in the brush pile on the far side of the field. I knew that the weather would keep him planted in that brush pile where he felt safe. So when we were done training an hour later, I walked out with Riot, who's never had to hunt one up before. About 100' or so from the brush pile, I turned Riot loose. He hadn't seen that bird fall, but he knew what was up somehow. He just knew exactly what to do. He came up with that bird pretty quickly after scrambling around the brush pile chasing the duck. He came to heel nicely and we walked back to the truck and put the unharmed live flyer back in his bird crate. For Riot that's as close to hunting as he has gotten so far. I'm not ready to take him full on hunting yet until we're solid on handling. But that day he did well for me. I don't feel like there were any negatives results in training the next day.
And that is another way to handle it. It is nice to attach a command to this method.
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OK, new scenario. You are pheasant hunting. Bird flushes, your hunting partner hits the bird lightly. It glides across the field 80 yards into the woods for maybe another 20 yards. Your dog is not able to mark it because he either 1) is busy retrieving another bird or 2) the nature of the cover does not allow the dog to visually mark the bird.

Sooooo, how do you handle this one?

Not an uncommon scenario for pheasant hunting in my area.
This reminds me of the time when I lived in an area with several local retriever clubs, including a GR breed club. Those clubs held "picnic" trials (this was before hunt tests existed in most parts of the country) during the off-trial seasons. It seems like we had a picnic trial nearly every weekend in December, January and February. We would have an Open, a Qual, a Derby/Puppy, and the really big stake was Hunting Dog Stake. In the latter stake, the judges could pretty much do whatever they wanted, from having the handlers start out lying down in a ditch with their dog on a remote sit on the opposite bank, to what we would consider to be field trial Open marks. But they always had a "hunt'm up" test, where they could exercise their imagination even more ... birds hung in trees, on top of a stump, and even with the birds mostly under water. These were incredibly fun!
I wish more clubs would hold picnic trials these days.

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FT and gdgli,
This is exactly what a spaniel hunt test is. The dog quarters across the field looking for that downed bird. The series is called "hunt dead". Goldens are especially good at it!
NAHRA has a variation. The dog has to find a dead duck that has been drug around a field. The idea is finding that wounded bird.

NAHRA is kind of interesting in how they run their hunt tests. They are the originators of hunt tests. They have stuck very closely to a hunting scenario for testing. It's very cool when you go to the line and a judge is holding a shotgun and a duck call. The judge will blow the duck call, the duck is thrown or launched by a gunner station, and the judge shoots a blank from his shotgun. It could be a single, double or triple, depending on the level. Or the line is in a boat at the edge of the water and the dog launches from the boat. In my opinion if you wanted to train your dog for hunting, NAHRA is going to give you as close as experience as possible. AKC on the other hand, not so much. AKC's hunt tests are very mechanical. This year I'm going to try to be more like what a hunting scenario is when I judge AKC. I might take the NAHRA test for judging too and start judging their stakes. Anyone else on here that judges NAHRA?

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Some comments on this pheasant gliding into the woods:

That pheasant is not dead. You need to get to this bird as quickly as possible. Pheasants move once they hit the ground and they move fast. And that is exactly why I like a really fast dog.

Stacey's duck can also move. I have seen hundreds at a continental shoot move several yards after being lightly hit.

Change this to a chukar partridge. My experience: A wounded chukar can bury itself in the leaves. OK, chukars do have lots of scent but finding a bird completely covered by leaves puts a new twist on things.

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New scenario. You are duck hunting a pond. You are shooting well today. You drop two birds, one on land and the other in the pond. Your dog marked them both. The bird in the pond is a lightly hit cripple and swam across the pond and has disappeared while your dog was retrieving the land mark. Your dog delivers the first bird.

Now what do you do?
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I just want to add that I am having fun with this. These scenarios are taken from some of my past hunts.
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I'm no hunter - and this has been fun for me, too!
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What was the reason for having the dog retrieve the land mark first?

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New scenario. You are duck hunting a pond. You are shooting well today. You drop two birds, one on land and the other in the pond. Your dog marked them both. The bird in the pond is a lightly hit cripple and swam across the pond and has disappeared while your dog was retrieving the land mark. Your dog delivers the first bird.

Now what do you do?



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