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New hunting puppy...how much to expect

Hello, My husband and I just recently got our golden about 2 weeks ago, we are working through crate training and all that good stuff but I wanted to post on this section because we are waterfowl hunters and plan on having her be a duck and goose dog! I've watched a ton of youtube videos and looked through this site for waterfowl training, but I have a question on when to really start working on retrieves? She will always run after any toy we throw, but she is about 50/50 on bringing the toys back, is this pretty typical for a 9.5 week old pup? And if so, when should bringing items back be a real training focus, I want to make sure I keep it fun for her at this point.

Any other pointers for a waterfowl dog I will gladly take! Here are a couple pics of her of her, we got her a small bumper to play fetch with outside, still a little big for her I think.
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She's adorable!! We have 2 duck dogs, one we trained ourself and one we sent to a pro because we wanted her to compete in Hunt tests. First, always make retrieving fun. She's just a pup still and you want her to love what she's doing so keep it short and sweet until she's a bit older. Teal didn't go to train with the pro until she was 10 months old. I've heard of some pups going in as early as 4 months but I don't think I could bear to miss the cute stage. I like to stick with positive training only until a pup is 6 months or more. Both of our dogs were force fetch trained with ear pinch but I wouldn't suggest that unless you're working with a pro trainer.

Do you have access to live pigeons anywhere local, do you have frozen ducks for training? Live pigeons are great for building excitement for retrieving but we don't use them until a dog has an excellent "out" or "drop." You don't want to be teaching that it's ok for her to chew on birds. We never play tug with our dogs for this reason. If you don't have one already, buy a nice e-collar to use when she's older. Expect to spend at least a couple hundred dollars. Don't just throw it on her, but really take the time to read and watch videos about proper use. E-collars can be a great tool, or really hurt a dog in the wrong hands.What would really be a great help is if you found a local training group. Field training is all about knowledge and it's hard to pick up from reading alone. Have fun with her and enjoy the journey together and don't forget to share pictures!



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Very nice looking pup. Pedigree?
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She's adorable!! We have 2 duck dogs, one we trained ourself and one we sent to a pro because we wanted her to compete in Hunt tests. First, always make retrieving fun. She's just a pup still and you want her to love what she's doing so keep it short and sweet until she's a bit older. Teal didn't go to train with the pro until she was 10 months old. I've heard of some pups going in as early as 4 months but I don't think I could bear to miss the cute stage. I like to stick with positive training only until a pup is 6 months or more. Both of our dogs were force fetch trained with ear pinch but I wouldn't suggest that unless you're working with a pro trainer.

Do you have access to live pigeons anywhere local, do you have frozen ducks for training? Live pigeons are great for building excitement for retrieving but we don't use them until a dog has an excellent "out" or "drop." You don't want to be teaching that it's ok for her to chew on birds. We never play tug with our dogs for this reason. If you don't have one already, buy a nice e-collar to use when she's older. Expect to spend at least a couple hundred dollars. Don't just throw it on her, but really take the time to read and watch videos about proper use. E-collars can be a great tool, or really hurt a dog in the wrong hands.What would really be a great help is if you found a local training group. Field training is all about knowledge and it's hard to pick up from reading alone. Have fun with her and enjoy the journey together and don't forget to share pictures!
Thanks for the advice! that gives me a little better idea on timing. We froze goose wongs from this past fall, so I have some of those to use when she gets older, maybe tie them onto a bumper. There is a local retriever club around, I'm hoping to get out to see them this spring! We are in western NY so in the winter they don't do much I guess. Oh and yes we are avoiding tug of war all together, hopefully avoiding bad habits!
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Very nice looking pup. Pedigree?
Thank you, we think she is adorable No real pedigree that we know of, she is AKC but I couldn't find anything on that K9 data site unless I'm missing something. Maybe when we register her you get to see their history?? They were just a family breeder, not show or trial dogs.

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If you've never trained a retriever before, get involved with a club. There's so much that you can learn from just watching and listening to other people. And nothing beats hands on help if you hit a snag. Talking to people sooner rather than later also keeps you from doing things with your puppy that they would never let one of their puppies do. Lots of little things that might seem silly but would make sense down the road.

Hands down (besides keeping retrieving fun now) the best thing you can do to get started is to work on basic obedience with him. But go to club days to meet people, get him exposed to all the sounds and smells and have fun with asking people for help.

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Do you have a pedigree with multiple generations besides the parents? If you can't find the parents on k9data, grand 0r great grand parents would probably be there. Since the parents are AKC registered, you could probably get a pedigree using their numbers on the AKC.org website.


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Excellent point about making obedience a priority. It's the foundation of pretty much everything. Read up on proofing a pup for shot gun noise. That you can start at home with a pop gun and move onto real shot guns when the warmer weather is here. Never take your pup around pistols or rifles, shot guns only. The frequency is much higher on a pistol. If you don't have property to shoot a gun on you can take her to the parking lot of a skeet/trap shooting club if you can find one.



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You can start out desensitizing to noise using paper lunch sacks blown up with air and twisted shut. Sounds pretty loud and hopefully won't bother your pup at all.


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Pretty girl! What is her name? At this age they do not yet know to bring it back. I remember playing with Belle and having another toy in my hand to entice her to come back to me and happy to go for the next toy.


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