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National Retriever Championship, Nov 13 - 19

I am disappointed that we have no Goldens qualified for the 2016 National Retriever Championship! Frankly, that ticks me off quite a bit! I think I'll go home and develop a great training plan for 2017 so I can go next year!

Even without any Goldens, the NRC will still be worth keeping an eye on during the week. The panel of judges is top-notch and the grounds are historically very good (apparently they have received some rain, so the ponds should be full). I hope that we on GRF can collaboratively discuss each of the tests ... why the judges set it up as they did, what factors are the judges utilizing, what should we expect the dogs to do, why are the dogs doing what they seem to be doing, etc.

Below is the link to the main page for the National, which contains links to other related sites. There will be plenty to learn from this event. Heck, I've been training for and running field trials for thirty years and I've already learned a new term: pre, pre-National training week. (I learned it from a video on the "Blog" page.)

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I hope you'll keep this thread going, I would love to see the breakdowns and of course to root for your team next year


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I look forward to discussing this with you. While I'm training Proof to ultimately one day run all age set ups I am still learning how these concepts we learn now relate to those set ups later. This is so beyond anything in the hunt test world and that is really all I had any prior experience and it still really blows my mind. I believe it will blow this forums mind as well if they are truly interested in understanding what these amazing athlete dogs are capable of.

It is a disappointment there are no Golden's this year competing. Hopefully next year some of our great Golden's will be there. At the National level it comes down to a lot of luck as all the dogs are so talented already. One day it is a dream of mine to have a dog there. And definitely a dream I'll be there in the National Amateur.
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Do you know if there are any videos available to watch?



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Do you know if there are any videos available to watch?
I suspect that they will post some videos, as it typically the case. Due to the distances of the retrieves, however, it's hard to get a really good video of the dogs' performance of the retrieves, but we can get an idea. Plus, the still photos and the descriptions of the performances are very informative.

The videos get better and better each year...we may even see some drone-shots.
Already posted are a couple of videos in which trainers/handlers are interviewed, they are worth watching.

In the already-posted pre-National training photos, you may note the assembled training groups ... several of the TOP SHELF PROS have joined together for this week of training. This happens every year, generally with the same pros joining each other for the event. [There's often an "Amateurs Only" training group as well, for those of us who train our own dogs and qualify without the involvement of a pro. It's typically a pretty small group because so few amateurs qualify for this event.]

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If you want to feel some jealousy, check out the 2016 NRC Training Grounds Booklet ... there are some beautiful properties being used for pre-National training. The Carruth's water world, near the back of the booklet, looks incredible ... reminds me of Rex Carr's "CL2."
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and they're off! I love Jamie. I hope she does well

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FTgoldens....So on Thursday R told me that often times the dogs mark the gunner, not the mark on long retired guns. Walking back from the throw will often tell a lot about if the dog marked the bird or the gun. Reading the blog report seems to show that indeed a lot of dogs marked off the gun on the LR. I asked H about this and he said it would appear so. What do you think about that?

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FTgoldens....So on Thursday R told me that often times the dogs mark the gunner, not the mark on long retired guns. Walking back from the throw will often tell a lot about if the dog marked the bird or the gun. Reading the blog report seems to show that indeed a lot of dogs marked off the gun on the LR. I asked H about this and he said it would appear so. What do you think about that?
Yes indeed, dogs will often remember the location of the gunner more than the location of the mark.
Interestingly, in Derby stakes, marking off the gunner can sometimes get the dog in trouble because (unfortunately!) hooking a gunner in a Derby will often knock the pup down a placement or two or three; however, once the dog starts running all-age stakes, particularly with retired gunners, hooking a gunner "ain't no big deal" ... in fact, many all age judges believe that a dog cannot hook a retired gunner because it is, well ... not there (at least in theory). And to take this point one step farther, some pros teach their dogs to remember the location of the gunner by simply having a "gunner" in the field, have the gunner plant a bird within throwing distance of the gunner, have the gunner move into what would be typical throwing position, then showing the dog the gunner, then retiring the gunner, then sending the dog for the "mark." Of course, there would be no "mark" because the gunner didn't throw a bird, so the only thing that the dog can rely on is the location of the gunner, which is gone by the time the dog is sent for the "mark." (This drill also helps in situations when your dog misses seeing a throw.)
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(I'm not at the NRC, so my thoughts are based only on what I read and the photos I see on the blog.)

The first series was a bit out of the ordinary for a national, which typically starts with a double and a blind. So a triple was unusual, but it was a good test. The first of the difficulties in the first series was the use of two hen pheasants, which throw off almost no scent, on the two retired marks. The second difficulty was asking the dogs to run along the top of a levee when en route to the middle retired mark ... dogs do not like running along the top of ridges like that. Six dogs were eliminated by the first series (it stinks to be dropped so early!).

As for the second series, the middle retired and right retired marks are very tight, plus the line to each of those marks goes over a small peninsula ... it takes some guts for a dog to cross that peninsula twice. (Of course, you pretty much have to pull that short right retired out as the second retrieve.)
On this test, the dogs which aren't doing well are generally going to the right on the middle retired. When looking at the test diagram and reading the description, this reaction would be expected. A few will likely avoid taking that same line and push off to the right real early when en route to the middle retired. Then those that start out taking the line between the left flyer and the right retired are likely to suck around behind that right retired after they pass it ... that's just what dogs do (i.e., they will suck around behind an object, whether a tree, a point of cover or the location of an already picked up bird) ... in addition to that tendency, they will be pushed to the right by the mere presence of the water on the left ... plus, once they pass the right retired, the area to the right looks like a beautiful boulevard to run into ... and finally, the slight breeze from the left will push them to the right.

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