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all I can say is that land blind along a slope...Jamie is right, a$$ pucker is high!

Proofers got his steak for a job well done!
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Pat Burns's 3rd/4th series video interviews of Ty and Dave Rorem, and Chris Ledford are very good ... especially Dave's interview. They are both worth spending the time to watch and listen.
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Personally, I don't subscribe to the outside, outside, middle philosophy ... that'll get you in big trouble with an in-line triple, where you'd need to get the middle bird second. Generally, the order suggested by MOP (shortest, next shortest, then longest) is followed, although when you have a long flyer as the last bird down that pretty much goes out the window as well. So, it's best to teach the dog to go where sent ... PERIOD! At least mix up the order in training so the dog will be comfortable when picking up birds in a variety of orders
We do train primary selection and the order may of pick up can differ from dog to dog in the training day. Hmmm I wonder if just most of the HT I've run just lend themselves to O,O, I. I know I have picked up out of order birds in tests although most of the time it was Winter's choice but I few times by my choice.


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Don't be too impressed with that communication ... I can guarantee with 100% confidence that the handlers wanted to get that shorter mark second, but their dogs missed the short mark and kept on trucking (remember that then scent cone was on the right side of the marks in that test, so it wasn't given away by the scent if the dog was missing the mark to the left side).

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You're killing the illusion, I figured these were highly train FT dogs!

You've got me thinking. Thanks for the discussion!
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Im loving loving the discussion, Holly!!! This is my whole life right now, I drive people crazy cause its all I think about! ha ha! So discussing it, is just fantastic

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Fifth Series!

As is typical, the fifth series is a big set of marks with a mixed bag and an honor ... the fifth is often where the going gets really tough (there's often a quad for the fifth).
Interestingly, this test, which utilizes a couple of small ponds, looks more like a weekend field trial test than a national test, with the long mark out to 340 yards.

It looks like the judges set the test up with the expectation that when en route to the middle retired (the last bird to retrieve in this set up) , the dogs would square their exit from the water, then push off the back side of the flyer gunners (i.e., go more to the left), and head to the left into the very inviting "no man's land" behind the middle retired gunners ... and the pheasant would not be scented from the left side because of the wind direction.

From the early dogs' performance, it sounds like they are generally doing the test in a decent fashion ... the judges may not get as many answers out of the test as they had anticipated, but if conditions change, the test may get harder.
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Well, something happened near the end of the day and made the test exceedingly hard! Five of the last six dogs handled on one of the marks, and one of those that handled was the WINNER of the 2016 National Amateur Retriever Championship! I suspect that visibility became an issue, but obviously I don't know since I'm not there. The last dog that ran was picked up because he couldn't see the handler to even handle to the bird...it'll be interesting to see if that dog gets a re-run (and if he does, then how would it make you feel if you were the dog right before that one and you didn't get a re-run?).
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There was the typical big cut after the 5th series - 18 dogs were eliminated from the competition.
45 dogs are going to the 6th series, which will be a blind.
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Double blinds are being run: 6th series is a land blind, 7th is a water blind.
Despite strong, 20 - 30 mph cross wind, the dogs are doing very well on these blinds. The water blind presents a fairly routine picture to the dogs, so good performances are not surprising.
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Personally, I don't subscribe to the outside, outside, middle philosophy ... that'll get you in big trouble with an in-line triple, where you'd need to get the middle bird second. Generally, the order suggested by MOP (shortest, next shortest, then longest) is followed, although when you have a long flyer as the last bird down that pretty much goes out the window as well. So, it's best to teach the dog to go where sent ... PERIOD! At least mix up the order in training so the dog will be comfortable when picking up birds in a variety of orders.



Don't be too impressed with that communication ... I can guarantee with 100% confidence that the handlers wanted to get that shorter mark second, but their dogs missed the short mark and kept on trucking (remember that then scent cone was on the right side of the marks in that test, so it wasn't given away by the scent if the dog was missing the mark to the left side).

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Exactly what we worked on this past weekend. Mix up the triple order, and have the dog go where sent regardless of the order or where the dog wants to go. Also realized how important having a two sided dog helps in this.


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8th Series
A big, difficult, mixed-bag quad.
It's getting answers!
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