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LOL - our bird-y dog. Ever since Barb posted the pheasant pictures I was simply craving pheasants. For New Years we ordered two pheasants and the beef brisket from nbsmokehouse. Since I was bed-bound with the flu we were finally able to have our New Years dinner yesterday. Wow Wow Wow - I should have videotaped Rose.

She really really wanted to "fetch" those pheasants. I was amazed at her restraint not to jump on the counter.
She has tried every trick possible, around, sit, down, high five, shake voluntarily to show me how much she deserves them. She even went and found her favorite toy "chicken" and brought it over to trade.

Still hoping for the ice to melt. It is pretty dangerous in the back yard. Bunch of snow footprints that are now frozen. Maybe I am too much of a mother but I told DH that if she breaks a foot or gets injured running in the back yard he is the one to take her to the vet.


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Do you keep a training journal? I don't plan very far ahead because you never know what may develop along the way. By reviewing my journal I can plan my training for the specific areas my dogs need most. If there are no special maintenance needs, there's always the Flow Chart!

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I find that my training journal is very useful in tracking my progress. I like to look at how far I have come. I also use it to analyze what needs work. I actually write up a lesson plan before I go out to train and record my successes and failures in the journal.
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Yes, I keep a training log (besides GRF). The drawings of some of the setups are unrecognizable and initially I wondered at the value of the exercise. However, I now like it even though my artistic talent has not improved. It's helped me see trends. For example, in our mark blind drill Winter was not having a problem with under the arc or backsiding the winger, but with whatever side she ran second. She would ignore the holding blind hiding the winger on the first side we ran (either under arc or backsiding) but would lock on to the holding blind on the second side. Drawing it out helped me see it.

We have a steady diet of singles going on here too, but throw in multiples about once a week. All of these setups have blinds that are long or have suction/factors or both. We run our lining drill and the mark blind drill about once a week, but not on the same day. Since until last week to was in the 40's during the day, we were running splashing water blinds and short swim marks, sandwiched between land marks or blinds. But now the temps are around 30 so we are out of the water until it warms up.

I'm wishing for an early warm spring so we can get back in the water.
I hope to give Finished a try this year and tackle Master next....

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Yes, I keep a training log (besides GRF).
It's encouraging to see trainers keeping journals. Even if it's an Internet post now and then, it's better than most trainers are doing, and you've seen the value. All Weather Retriever Trainer's Kit. $44.42. There are several others. This one is a good one and much like what I use.
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The drawings of some of the setups are unrecognizable and initially I wondered at the value of the exercise. However, I now like it even though my artistic talent has not improved. It's helped me see trends. For example, in our mark blind drill Winter was not having a problem with under the arc or backsiding the winger, but with whatever side she ran second. She would ignore the holding blind hiding the winger on the first side we ran (either under arc or backsiding) but would lock on to the holding blind on the second side. Drawing it out helped me see it.

...I'm wishing for an early warm spring so we can get back in the water.
I hope to give Finished a try this year and tackle Master next....
I keep my drawings simple, but make sure they show important factors like wind direction, ditches, logs, hay bails, ponds, etc. I usually only draw the portion of the shoreline that affected the running of a route.

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I used to keep a training log but haven't in a long time.
I also like to draw pictures, especially of drills, because that's the only way I remember anything! If someone hands me a picture I probably wouldn't understand it, it helps me to draw it myself after doing it.

Actually writing and drawing helps me commit items to memory. I wonder if typing will have the same effect, if so, this forum will help me :-)

Sometimes when we go to obedience our friend Sunrise has a written out plan of what to work on with each dog that day. I think that'll be a good idea for me going forward because I have like 4 sets of things to be worked on that need to be mixed up so it would help to plan, what to do when and how to move forward with it.


Although I agree adjustments need to be made. Like if bad habits or problems creep in.


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Today we focused on water blinds. There are several blinds available at the place we train, that are quite difficult (mainly, down the shore with an island off the shore, big angle entry). Every new set of judges they bring in for the tests here, sees them and goes, There's our water blind! The last master test I ran there, last year with Fisher, he one-whistled the one they picked out and everyone thought I was a genius. To Fisher it's basically a pattern blind, we've done them so many times. So anyways we worked on those same blinds (3 different ones) today with Slater & Millie, and they did GREAT!!! Really happy with everything.
A funny thing happened though...lining up for the first blind, which was down the shore to the left, down a channel formed by the shore and an island, instead of facing forward Slater is air-scenting to the right and clearly indicating he wants to go that way. Well, 100+ yards across the big pond (big open swim) is the OTHER blind with bumpers I had placed. The wind was blowing right at us. Great opportunity to do a big water swim, so I turned, lined him up and BACK. Out he went!
The last blind we set up I taught it like a pattern blind, with rather mixed results with Slater. I won't try to describe it other than to say it was huge, over two points and they ran it as the open water blind last year. Anyways Slater did a pretty good job as I built it, when I finally got it to full distance, he was being really weird lining up, bugging at me, I finally did a heel-burn-heel, and then he was off like a shot. Came back, repeated it, this time he lined up fine, no bugging and went 100 miles an hour off the line, as he's about 2/3 the way out there I'm blowing my whistle trying to get a cast and he's completely blowing through it. Now, that same strong wind was coming at me, and he knew the destination and trying very hard to get there quickly, but geeze!!! Once he was coming back I look at my transmitter, and my FREAKIN COLLAR WAS OFF. So he totally "faked" a correction for bugging and no wonder why he blew through the whistle. Hmmm...
Slater came back from that one like he had won the lottery, even though I felt it wasn't that great, he thought it was.
Fisher was up next, I ran the same blind from about halfway, took 2 casts to it, then backed up immediately to the full distance, and he one-whistled it. Fisher was on, and fast. Maybe if I run the qual again they'll pick that same blind

Lastly we went up to the hay field and again ran singles with white bumpers and really launched them. After a few corrections for breaking with the pinch collar the other day, Slater has been solid as a rock. These big singles have worked WONDERS for his focus and marking. WONDERS.

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Yesterday in hunt class we admitted a black lab. Wow what a difference in energy. This new pup comes from total field lines and is super hard core. The rest of us goldens have been working together for a few months now so it was fun to see a new pup work. We still are working only inside for class. Our trainer doesn't like it when it's cold and icy. So I work my girl outside with my husband. We worked on getting the pups to retrieve with only a hey hey and hand signals. No come or back or any other verbal commands. Some pups did better than others. We also worked on heeling and honoring. My girl just has a hard time honoring. Maybe because its her siblings? Wednesday we start obedience with another trainer. We will still be hunt oriented, but this trainer only competes in hunt and field and doesn't train dogs for it. So obedience on Wed. and hunt on Sat. The pups are doing great!

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We trained hand thrown walk away singles and blinds the last couple of times out. It was a mixed bag. One day the long mark gave her trouble. It was a long low arcing throw that landed behind a hill. The next day a short inward thrown mark that landed on the backside of a hill. She charged up the hill and blew over the top of it. I believe Miss Winter has a lot of hand thrown singles in her future, she may have been seeing too many marks out of wingers.

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Holly that's exactly what we've been doing and wow what a difference. I am loving the results. Since it's winter the cover is down (cows eat it or they've mowed/baled) so even small white bumpers are easy to find. But I really felt our dogs were so used to a hand-thrown duck (which as you know, doesn't go real far) or a duck out of our little winger. We show up at a test and those big wingers really launch the duck and the dog ends up running where the mark "would be" thrown! Ugg. I also felt Slater wasn't marking it well and rather, running toward the gunner then hunting. Not good.
Anyways we've trained the past, oh gosh I think 4 days in a row, maybe 5, things are going well. Just singles but even twice I ran singles on a multiple setup and neither of my dogs headswung, gee funny how that works. Anyways things are good.

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Holly that's exactly what we've been doing and wow what a difference. I am loving the results. Since it's winter the cover is down (cows eat it or they've mowed/baled) so even small white bumpers are easy to find. But I really felt our dogs were so used to a hand-thrown duck (which as you know, doesn't go real far) or a duck out of our little winger. We show up at a test and those big wingers really launch the duck and the dog ends up running where the mark "would be" thrown! Ugg. I also felt Slater wasn't marking it well and rather, running toward the gunner then hunting. Not good.
Anyways we've trained the past, oh gosh I think 4 days in a row, maybe 5, things are going well. Just singles but even twice I ran singles on a multiple setup and neither of my dogs headswung, gee funny how that works. Anyways things are good.
Yes, lots of ducks or dokkens out of wingers lately.
The first day I trained with my friend Sandy. We both wanted to do hand thrown singles and I asked her what she wanted to throw. She said "let's throw small bumper I need to work on marking". Wow, was she right. It makes me laugh, we had two cars full of equipment, wingers, electronics, holding blinds, dokkens.....and here we are hand throwing 2 inch white bumpers and getting in great training. I think I will be backing down multiples to once every couple of weeks and doing hand thrown singles, like Annie. I was worried about Winter not marking the last mark of triples. She too seemed to be using the gunner (or winger) to pick up that third mark. We are throwing very easy triples right now. The last couple of times she stepped on them so I'm encouraged that we can build them. She even gave her little quick head turn glance to the 3rd mark when she was running back with number two. This has been her tell that she knows where the next bird is and I was glad it see it. It may take us awhile but I think we can get there.
I don't know if I have mentioned that in my training group there are 3 women in their 70's. All three of them have dogs that are training at the Master level. They have done it all, bench, obedience, tracking, field. They're very encouraging and a riot to train with. Plus they know where all the bodies are buried.

I believe I will have the pleasure of training with a Fisher grandpup soon.

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