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Old 11-10-2012, 08:13 AM
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:37 PM
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Ugg well today was a mess. Had to wake up at 4:30, had a headache, and was soooo sleepy driving the 2 1/2 hours to the test. At one point stopped a gas station, dozed for 10 minutes then bought some more coffee and some Excederine.
The test was, well, it didn't look too bad at first but it was eating dogs alive. They ran two test dogs, neither did it. One out of the first eight dogs picked up all the birds
Very few had no handles if they did get all the birds. It was a land walkup triple with honor. The line was up in the woods on a hill with a lot of brambly cover everywhere, under pine trees, looking down to a bowl-shaped mowed field with woods behind it. The walkup bird was up in the woods next to you, the two long marks were against the back treeline on the far side of the field. Order was short right bird, left flyer, middle go-bird. Blind up the middle under the arc of the go bird. Slater saw the first short bird, maybe caught a little of the flyer and saw NONE of the go bird. He turned with the gun and everything, visibility just was not good and he didn't catch any of the go bird. I turned and sent him to the flyer instead, he ran out of the woods then made a hard right, turned up and got the short bird in the woods. Lined him back up to the flyer again, and he did exactly the same thing. In retrospect I think he didn't see the flyer either so was just going to the only bird he saw. I stopped him and called him in. We were done.
I'm not sure if the judges expected the dogs to have such trouble. Many other handlers said their dog missed the go bird too but a more experienced dog you can line and send and hope for the best; Slater isn't there yet especially with poor visibility of the holding blinds. Oh well. I was considering going to the South Carolina test in December but I think I'll just wait until our tests start back up in January.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:40 PM
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Trained today at Lazy J -- we set up an ABCD drill and I really liked the marks! Far bird we used live birds. I got bit by a duck today. LOL
Afterwards put two blinds in between the marks.
I have to say that Slater always runs better AFTER going to tests. Not sure what the deal is. A month ago he was no-going on singles off multiple guns and no-going on blinds between holding blinds. Now granted I hit the red panic button and did a lot of training between now and then, but no problems with that whatsoever at either test last week or this weekend and today, faced with singles and blinds off multiple gun stations, he was perfect. No headswinging, hesitation or basically being weird. Locked onto each mark and off like a shot. Now when I say "Dead bird" he jerks forward and almost breaks on blinds. He did super today, one-whistling one blind and lining the other. I AM NOT COMPLAINING -- I just think it's interesting!
Our weather is absolutely perfect these days. 70s & sunny in the day and 40s/50s at night.
I also am trying to focus more on obedience training with Slater so we did recalls and heeling before dinner tonight.
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Had a mostly productive training session today. Scout's been having trouble on tight doubles (i.e. close, both thrown in). So, since its cold and we are training on flat field with short grass it was a good time to be working on it. Did a close mark and a long one. Close mark was the memory bird so the dogs had to run past it for the long go-bird. Scout's been wanting to split the difference on tighter marks like these. So ran them as a singles, then did the double. On the memory she did want to look out on the go-bird so I told her no and gave her a slight pop in the right direction then sent her. She over corrected herself on the send but had no problems finding the bird. I put her up and let everyone else run, brought her out a third time and ran the double and she nailed it. Good teaching opportunity.

We ran a second tight double on the other field this time with gunners level with each other. I did not build it this time and she nailed both marks. However, we threw in a really long blind on the outside and that was pretty botched. I am losing control at distance and had to walk up on her. At one point I thought my ecollar had died as she did not seem responsive and I was getting loopy sits (ugh). Well, when she came back I found out that the ecollar was indeed on. I know distance erodes control but geez I already upped a whole level and didn't see any response. I did make her re-run the blind again at the end and she did show improvement. To her credit most of the dogs had some issues with that blind. I also know that I need to be buckling down and working longer blinds and I haven't. Also, it was mentioned to me that my whistle was very shrill and hard to hear from that distance (from a gunner). So I am in the market for a new one. I was also noting that it didn't seem to matter how hard I blew the pitch was high and didn't have that authoritarian tone. So any suggestions for a good, deeper pitched whistle?
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We got out and trained today too. However, it wasn't 70 & sunny, more like 45 and cloudy. We have been able to get out and train the last three days and except for today it has been in the 50's and sunny so we could get it a bit of water work.
Today we did doubles off of multiple gunners and with a couple of long blinds. Winter did a good job.

Lisa, it is amazing how correction can be ignored at distance!

I use this whistle, SportDOG Mega Roy Gonia Orange & Black Special Whistle. $6.95 (Save $3.00), but it's not that low pitched. I have been told that the exact same whistle will not always have the same sound and people will buy a couple at a time.
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Remember too that dogs have a very different range of hearing than we do. So just because the gunner could not hear the whistle does not mean the dog could not--those so called silent whistles are not silent to dogs!

This is the whistle I have gone to--the Dallesassee--it seems to carry a long distance and is easy to get good sound from it, and it is possible to modify the volume easily.

Tried to get some geese this weekend--they would go everywhere but to the field we were in. Unfortunately farmers had just worked the fields beside us on which we did not have permission. so we got to watch them fly in an land where we could not shoot them!! To add insult to injury I now have a nasty cold after sitting out in my layout blind in the wind and cold for 3 hours!
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I use this whistle, SportDOG Mega Roy Gonia Orange & Black Special Whistle. $6.95 (Save $3.00), but it's not that low pitched. I have been told that the exact same whistle will not always have the same sound and people will buy a couple at a time.
That is my choice as well. I have used one for a very long time. But, because of my obcessive nature, I like to pick my whistles. You are correct that there are slight inconsistencies. I hand pick the pea, which is why I buy my whistles in clear, and apart from the megaphone. I save my megaphones, and simply replace the whistle when it's time.

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We did a really fun drill at Dan's yesterday, what he calls the "fly away bird" drill.
I told him about Tito taking off to follow a bird, and then coming back in. He said that's the "golden retriever 100 yard dash", and while Tito is well trained enough to come back when he doesn't catch the bird, the concern is that, in such heavy, thick cover, they can lose their way.
Anyway, the drill involves a bunch of live pigeons. Some are homing pigeons, some just regular barn pigeons. Dan tosses the bird low along the ground, and sends Tito out after it.
If it's a barn pigeon, when it flies up it gets shot and Tito gets to retrieve it. However, if it's one of the homing pigeons, it just flies away and Tito gets whistled to come back.
Very cool drill. It didn't take him many birds to realize that he needs to come back AT ONCE when he gets whistled to come back.
One bird that got shot we thought Dan had missed, it flew about 200 yards but then dropped straight down behind a small hill and some fairly heavy cover. Of course, Tito disappeared.
Dan just stood there talking to me (about Thanksgiving, etc) and finally after what seemed like forever I said, "Dan, where's my dog??". He said not to worry, Tito was just out looking for the bird. I told him that that was about how long Tito had been gone when I did my freak out while we were hunting, and then Dan laughed and said that that's a typical upland hunt and I do need to relax and trust my dog. He said don't worry, he'll be back.
Sure enough, about 30 seconds later here came Tito over the hill, busting thru the cover, bird in mouth, happy as could be.
So...a lot of the work that needs to be done is me, not him. Dan said that I need to get on the whistle and/or collar if the bird isn't shot. That's true, I waited too long.
If the bird does go down, he says just let Tito find it. He will put up a persistant hunt and then he will come back once he finds the bird.
I am probably making a lot more of this than it was, he was gone less than 60 seconds but since I couldn't see him it was very scary. I'm not used to having him out of my sight for that long.
We finished with 2 live pheasants that Dan dizzied and planted, and then we let Tito flush them and retrieve them after they were shot.
A great day!
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I find that the reaction you had to Tito disappearing is not uncommon with people who haven't hunted much. There really is no reason to freak out unless Tito is running a deer. That's a different story. If the dog is out there and he is after a bird, there is no reason to not come back as soon as possible. After all, you have been rewarding him because you have been putting him onto birds in the first place.

I do like that fly away drill.
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thanks gdgli, that's what everyone is telling me, it's what the hunt is all about and I just need to go with it.
The very tall, very heavy cover is what freaked me out. Once he was literally 10 feet from me, I couldn't see him. Heck, I couldn't even see over the cover myself.
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