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Yearly vaccinations or Titers?

It's about time to have Sipsy's boosters and looking into Titers testing as an alternative.
Do any of you do this? Cost? How often to you have to retest or do you need to retest?
I've found a few articles and know it's been around for a while but not finding to much "user" information to learn from.
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Call your Vet Clinic, they will be able to tell you what they charge for Titers, how often to test, etc.

Vet fees vary throughout the US, that's why I'd call your Clinic. In my area, Titers run between $150-$200.
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I will be checking with a couple of clinics to compare cost, thanks. We pump our pups with so much stuff these days, heartworm preventative and flea/tick as well as worm medications. I just hate to give her more than is needed.

Breaking away from the tradition of yearly boosters is a little frightening as I want my pup to be protected. Just wondering if anyone else does this and if they feel comfortable taking this path.

I checked with her step breeder and she does boosters and tells me our breeder does as well. Considering the breeder included the "don't over vaccinate" sheet in the puppy packet seemed a little hypocritical and just not sure which way is the best route.

Guess I'm looking for a little direction more than concern for cost. If anyone out there does Titers vs. yearly booster I would love to share your experience.
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I definitely don't recommend yearly vaccines. Puppy shots, one year, and then just every 3 years is standard protocol most places now.

As for titers, you'll save a ton of money if you send them out yourself rather than having vet do them in house (and likely get more accurate results).
Send to Dr. Schultz (considered a leader in vaccination and titer studies) with the University of Wisconsin for only $25. https://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/lab/schu...sting-service/

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I agree with Jodie. I haven't done annual vaccinations in at least a decade. If you are truly worried, titer. The vets I know no longer give annual boosters.

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It's about time to have Sipsy's boosters and looking into Titers testing as an alternative.
Do any of you do this? Cost? How often to you have to retest or do you need to retest?
I've found a few articles and know it's been around for a while but not finding to much "user" information to learn from.
You ask a really great question...thank you!!

After I lost my Yaichi to hemangiosarcoma and began to read about the very high incidence of cancer in GRs, I decided I was going to do everything I could when Brisby came into my life, to attempt to stack as many odds in her favour of escaping the dreaded disease that is felling so many of our dogs. As a result, I read, read, interviewed and changed DVMs. We are fortunate to have a holistic and a homepathic vet ( 2 ), both with over 20 years experience in veterinary medicine. Both of our DVMs feel that over-vaccination, diet, over-medication, etc+ is contributory to many of the disease, including cancer that they are seeing on a regular basis in the last decade+.

As a result, I just had the DAP titer run for Brisby as she was "due" for her 3 year booster vaccinations. Our vet sent it out to Cornell via IDEXX.
The results showed Brisby has strong immunity in all three areas, her last vaccinations given at the age of one year ( she is now 4 1/2). The cost in the Greater Toronto area is likely higher than in the US. I paid $209.00 for the DAP titer.

I also just had the rabies titer run ( again sent to Cornell). This was more expensive. I paid $340.00 for the rabies titer which included the blood draw fee. I don't have the results yet, however they should be back anytime now.

Brisby's vets align completely with Dr Ronald Schultz work regarding immunity. Her thoughts are that we may run another set of titers in 3 - 4 years time or we may not, as once immunity is established, re vaccination does not boost immunity, but rather "messes" with a dog's immune system.



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My vet, and most vets around here, vaccinate on a three year schedule. (I wouldn't use a vet that didn't.) My dogs have always been on a 3 year vaccination schedule, once they have received their standard puppy vaccinations they only get the core vaccines - rabies, distemper, parvovirus, and parainfluenza, and have never done titer testing in between. Have followed this schedule with multiple dogs, (we lost our two seniors at 14 1/2 years), have never run into any problems with doing it that way, feel confident that the three year schedule it is very safe for my dogs.


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It really depends on what shots you are talking about. And age of the dog.

You do have to do the 1 year boosters. It completes the series of the shots, I believe. Make sure you're not confusing that with the regular scheduled shots for adult dogs.

After that things get sorted out with your vet. What is required by law (rabies)... and what is your comfort zone.

My guys get the distemper mix shot every 3 years.

And they get rabies every 3 years.

The shots are staggered by a year so they are NEVER getting both rabies and distemper the same year.

I do make sure my guys go in for Lepto shots every year. Heard somewhere that it stays in their system for about 9 months. So I push as late into spring as possible, but we DO do it every year.

***I give heartworm preventatives only about 6 months out of the year. And that's usually something like Sentinel which worms them for as much possible. Heartguard if I have to do something about ticks a certain month or two. I ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT put flea/tick stuff on my dog every month of the year. Gosh forbid putting collars on my dogs like some people do. o_O As long as there isn't a flea or tick problem, I will not treat for one.

ETA.... I saw a guy carrying a 16 year old GSP pointer in for vaccinations. And for that matter, our dogs who almost made it to 13 and 14 both lived at a time when... yeah, they did get annual vaccinations. And this included the one dog who'd had issues with the rabies vax back then (it caused swelling and pain) and needed pre-treatment to prevent a reaction.

Flip side of that is I know of somebody who cut out all vaccinations fairly early (after the puppy stuff before 16 weeks), fed raw, and did a lot of other stuff.... and she had a dog die early (age 7).

Somebody looking to prove that annual vaccinations are harmless - could use the example of my long lived dogs.

Somebody looking to prove that titers and raw food are HARMFUL could point to the dog who died early.

I'm just saying.


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Having lost my first 2 Goldens to cancer at a young age (in the days when yearly boosters were the norm), I decided I wanted to do everything possible to limit the risks of over-vaccination in my subsequent Goldens. So for the next 2 Goldens, I only did titers after their series of 3 puppy shots for parvo/distemper. Actually, Golden #3 did get a one-year booster, while Golden #4 did not have any boosters after the age of 16 weeks. In both cases I did yearly titers, which showed good protection for the rest of their lives. One lived to almost age 13 and the other recently died at age 12. For my current 2 young Goldens, I plan to do no boosters after the age of 16 weeks, although I will likely titer every couple of years. I also do not do any of the non-core vaccines. So the only vaccine they get is rabies as required by law (every 3 years in my state).
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Having lost my first 2 Goldens to cancer at a young age (in the days when yearly boosters were the norm), I decided I wanted to do everything possible to limit the risks of over-vaccination in my subsequent Goldens. So for the next 2 Goldens, I only did titers after their series of 3 puppy shots for parvo/distemper. Actually, Golden #3 did get a one-year booster, while Golden #4 did not have any boosters after the age of 16 weeks. In both cases I did yearly titers, which showed good protection for the rest of their lives. One lived to almost age 13 and the other recently died at age 12. For my current 2 young Goldens, I plan to do no boosters after the age of 16 weeks, although I will likely titer every couple of years. I also do not do any of the non-core vaccines. So the only vaccine they get is rabies as required by law (every 3 years in my state).
I totally understand your rationale Summertime which echoes mine after I lost my Yaichi. I am so sorry to read that you have lost 2 of your precious Goldens to cancer.

I decided to take the risk with the rabies titer, even though vaccination is required here by law as well. All I am concerned about is that Brisby carries a strong immunity to rabies and will deal with any fine and a forced rabies vaccination should that ever be enforced by incident, which is very unlikely.

I also have not done any non core vaccines ( lepto, bortadella, lyme etc) and won't.

Here area a few detailed articles for those interested:

The Leptospirosis Vaccine: Why It Doesn't Work - Dogs Naturally Magazine

[Updated] Three Critical Problems With The Kennel Cough Vaccine (and what you need to do about them) - Dogs Naturally Magazine

Lyme Disease And Lyme Vaccine Disease - Dogs Naturally Magazine



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