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post #61 of 84 (permalink) Old 01-05-2013, 01:13 PM
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I'm sorry that what stated out as an honest discussion has turned into a vet-trashing thread. I owe my dog's life to good veterinary care .

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It sure would be nice if folks would stop making rude and unreasonable blanket statements about anything! In every profession, there are wonderful practitioners, many who are perfectly adequate, and some who shouldn't be practicing their profession at all. If you feel your vet is awful, find one who is better. If you have a problem with something your vet suggests for your pet's health, open your mouth and say so, nicely. You can always agree to disagree. Bashing an entire profession is not only rude, it's incredibly immature. I am not a vet but I know and respect some amazingly great and compassionate ones. I also know a few who are past their sell by date, who don't enjoy what they do and probably shouldn't do it anymore. My primary vet wept after giving my beloved old boy his angel wings, and then he sent me not one, but three, condolence notes. For those of you bashing all vets based on your own experiences, I suggest you go to vet school so you can be in charge of your pets health and only ever do it the "correct" way, which would be YOUR way!

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Well our current vet just called about the sarcoma results and spent a half hour on the phone thoroughly. Apparently it's a big scar tissue from her spay. He was really nice and said we could get it removed for $600 but its nothing to be concerned about unless it gets bigger. It could turn into a tumour but its fine for now. So we will probably just leave it.


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It is not now, nor has it ever been a "sarcoma." A sarcoma is a malignant tumor. What your pup had was a suspicious growth that turned out to be nothing more than scar tissue. Also, how exactly did a reaction to an injection of pain medication shape your view on vaccines? Just as sarcoma is not a catch-all term for any suspicious growth at a needle site, neither does the word vaccine include all injectable medications.

You have zero trust in vets and refuse to bring your pets to one unless it is a life and death situation, yet admit that your current vet is kind and honest... confirmed here as he spent a significant amount of time on the phone with you (rather than bringing you in to the office and charging you for the visit) and steering you away from an unnecessary medical procedure. Look, I've had experience with some less-than-stellar vets over the years too. It doesn't mean you write off veterinary care altogether... it just means you keep looking until you find a vet you like and whose philosophy on care is similar to your own. It sounds like you've found that. Why deny your pets potentially life-saving preventative care and early intervention against illnesses? Don't they deserve more at least that much?

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I'm wondering if the reason the breeder is advocating the minimal vaccine is because she doesn't want to pay for the vet bills.

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I recommend minimal vaccines and it has nothing to do with vet bills


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Well our current vet just called about the sarcoma results and spent a half hour on the phone thoroughly. Apparently it's a big scar tissue from her spay. He was really nice and said we could get it removed for $600 but its nothing to be concerned about unless it gets bigger. It could turn into a tumour but its fine for now. So we will probably just leave it.
First of all, I'm very glad your cat doesn't have cancer

However, I'm very confused about the details you've given us. First, you said that vaccines cause cancer. Then you said your cat got cancer from a pain med needle. Then you said it wasn't a sarcoma at all, but rather a lump of scar tissues at the site of the spay incision itself.

Do I have this straight? Your cat had scar tissue from a spay, which you said was an injection site sarcoma. I'm still not sure how that confusion arose, as the incision for the spay and the site they inject pain meds probably wouldn't be in the same place, right? And you told us all this as some kind of anecdote that demonstrates that vaccines cause cancer? I am so lost.
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First of all, I'm very glad your cat doesn't have cancer

However, I'm very confused about the details you've given us. First, you said that vaccines cause cancer. Then you said your cat got cancer from a pain med needle. Then you said it wasn't a sarcoma at all, but rather a lump of scar tissues at the site of the spay incision itself.

Do I have this straight? Your cat had scar tissue from a spay, which you said was an injection site sarcoma. I'm still not sure how that confusion arose, as the incision for the spay and the site they inject pain meds probably wouldn't be in the same place, right? And you told us all this as some kind of anecdote that demonstrates that vaccines cause cancer? I am so lost.
What I do know is that cats who get these reactions to vaccines have a very high rate of them turning to a sarcoma and injection site cancers are fairly common in cats... that having been said I hardly vaccinate my cats at all as they are totally indoors so I have not done my own research on this topic... just reporting back what my vet has said...

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What I do know is that cats who get these reactions to vaccines have a very high rate of them turning to a sarcoma and injection site cancers are fairly common in cats... that having been said I hardly vaccinate my cats at all as they are totally indoors so I have not done my own research on this topic... just reporting back what my vet has said...
There are definitely documented instances of vaccine site sarcomas in cats, most likely due to particular adjuvants in particular vaccines. I believe cat vaccine protocols were adjusted accordingly in order to minimize the possibility of those sarcomas. It's also important to note that they are practically unheard of in dogs.
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First of all, I'm very glad your cat doesn't have cancer
Cat? How did I miss that???

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No,my understanding is that she was talking about Nyah, which is a Golden.
But, I think she jumped the gun on the sarcoma bit when she did not have a confirmed diagnosis, but was quick to make assumptions and accusations.
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