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Hello, I am a new member to this forum and I apologize if this topic has been brought up before. I also want to apologize for the length of this post.

I just recently got two Golden Retriever puppies, brother and sister from the same litter. They are about 16 weeks old now. When I first brought them home I started them out on Diamonds Large Breed Puppy dry food (this is what the breeder had started them on). Both puppies had diarrhea and each vomited for one day. They went to the vet the very next available day. The Vet gave them shots and dewormed, and I believe a liquid antibiotic. Everything improved.

After about a month I started to do some research and found out that Diamond was not considered a good quality food based on dogfoodadvisor.com. I have since started them on Blue Buffalo Large Breed Puppy (One of our Vets recommended we try this). The one puppy (boy) has done well with the transition, the girl has not, and she has had loose bowels from the start ranging from all out diarrhea squirts to pudding consistency. On one of their normal visit to the vet for their shots we mentioned the problem. The vet (not the same vet as the first visit) said the issue was the high quality dog food and that it was too rich for her system. He said that he was not a vet nutritionist and feeds his dogs Samís club food, I immediately would not take any advice from him after hearing that. I did more research and decided to switch them to Wellness Super5mix for puppies. We are still in the process of switching them and are doing so gradually. The female went from a loose stool to diarrhea all night long. I got her into the vet again and they examined her stool, not worms, everything else looked normal during the examination. They sent me home with a can of Hill's Prescription Diet I/D Gastrointestinal Health Canned Dog Food and told me to give that to her for one day along with a dewormer again, Drontal Plus 22.7mg, Metronidazole 500mg(antibiotic) and Fortaflora. The first day that she ate the Hills can food her stool was firm, the next day we put her back on the dry food (3/4 Blue Buffalo - 1/4 Wellness) and she is back to loose stool like pudding.

Her energy is great as usual and she is growing like a weed. I did forget to mention that they were tested the first time for giardia and it was negative. I am completely at a lost where to turn to this time. I have spoken with several people at Petsmart and listened to their advice and expertise on the brands, I have done research several brands and would prefer to keep them on a high quality brand like Wellness, Blue Buffalo, etc.. The Vet (we have 4 vets in the same office) keeps recommending Science Diet which they sell out their office and I am sure they get a kickback for pushing that brand.

If anyone has had a similar problem and/or knows a treatment please share. I am simply going nuts trying to help this little girl get her bowels to normal.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:39 PM
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I agree with the vet that said the food was too rich for your puppy. I tried to move from Nutro Ultra to Acana and it did not work. I switched back to Ultra. I would not trust dogfoodadvisor.com to suggest a food for my dog. I agree with not using Science Diet, but there are a lot of premium foods out there that maybe alright for your girl. I like Ultra, but I know a lot of people on here feed Pro Plan, Petsmart has a new brand Simply Nourish that has nice ingredients and I am sure plenty of other brands. I am not sure I would depend on a Petsmart employee or one of the dog food reps, to help me decide. I do not know anything about Diamond's dog food as we don't get it in Canada.

The best dog food for your puppy is the one that agrees with her.
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Max had soft stools with Purina Puppy Chow and Science Diet when he was a puppy. I did some research, and settled on Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy Food. Max did great on it. We fed Eukanuba until Max was about 16 months.
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We have had similar issues & are working on a VERY slow transition to California Naturals. Started transition a month ago and are about 3/4 switched. Our dog is almost 6 months & we've had food issues since he was 3 months old. EVERYTHING seems to throw his system off. Currently he's getting California Naturals lamb & rice puppy with a little Purina EN gastrointestinal dry food mixed in, as well as fortaflora once a day. We are feeding twice a day & are having 2-3 nice solid poops a day. This is a major victory for us as we had pudding-like poops for quite awhile. I hope you're able to figure out the right combo - I know how frustrating it is!!!!


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The last bout of food changes, might have tripped her last set of loose stools. I would recommend mixing some cooked rice in with the kibble and maybe some pumpkin or banana. It should help balance things out and firm up the stools without you having to spend $$$$ on the Hill's I/D.

If the food you've tried isn't working, I've heard Pro Plan or Eukenuba (spelling) are good foods to try.

I personally use Blue Buffalo, but I also feed carrots and bananas. The only time Bear's had loose stools is when he gets nervous/overexcited or is fed something new. We've also started using Natural Balance logs as treats for training and that gave Bear diarahhea for the first day. A couple bananas and he was fine.
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If she was not taking meds, I would say fast her for at least 12 hours to give her intestines time to rest but with the meds, I think she needs to keep some food in her system.

I think one day on Science Diet Id is not long enough to stabilize the gut so I would boil some chicken breasts (no salt), some rice (overcooked to mushy stage, no salt) - I usually do 1 cup of rice per chicken breast, mix both together in the food processor with a little of the chicken broth and follow this schedule for the next week :
  • Day 1 & 2 - give her about 2 cups of the mix a day - no treats, nothing else.
  • Day 3 -(if the diahrrea has stopped; be aware that she might even not poop for a while), reintroduce the Wellness with the chicken mix (25% kibble-75% mix),
  • Days 4 & 5 -(assuming poops are fine) 50% kibble & 50% chicken mix,
  • Day 6 & 7 -75% kibble & 25% chicken mix,
  • Day8 - all kibble

Giardia is hart to detect in stool samples and sometimes requires multiple tests to be seen but since your other pup is fine I doubt it is that because they can infect each other easily by walking where fresh poop was and licking their paws afterwards. If your boy starts squirting also, another Giardia and Coccidia test for both might be useful.

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Thank you for all the advice. We had tried pumpkin and rice prior to the last visit to the vet. The Vet called yesterday to check on her and at that time her stool was still loose. She ask how much I was feeding them and I told her 1 cup 3x a day. She suggested that I cut it back to 1/2 a cup 3x a day and see if it improves. Apparently a dogs digestive system is very small and straight. What ever they eat goes through them quickly.. too much and their system can't process it correctly and it ends up as loose stool or diarrhea.

Glad to say that her first movement this morning was very firm, on the carpet y accident, but very firm. I never thought I would be happy about her pooping on the carpet. Hopefully we have this issue solved.

Thanks again for all the comments
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Also, we noticed a big improvement when moving from 3 to 2 feedings a day.


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