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Old 11-04-2012, 06:54 AM
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How to deal with Boreliosis and Anaplasmosis in 9 yrs old Golden Retriever

Hello,
Apreciate any deirection, hint, experience or advice.

- Owner of 9 yrs old Golden Retriever
- diagnosis of local vet is boreliosis and anaplasmosis
- were on antiobitc therapy for three months
- future prediction of the local vet that now
during signs of joint stiffness, muscle stiffness , get tired after 30 minutes of
walking ( starting to walk slowly and in small steps )
is because of anaplasmosis.

We suppose to expect 6 moths of waiting for anaplasmosis to releive in such condition.


Now we're giving him dog kibble food enriched wit probiotics twice a day.
At morning meal adding the sunflower young greenies, fresh parsley and ground chia seeds, broccoli sprouts to morning meal.

Two hours after evening meal giving him freshly juiced barley grass


Is there any way to approach with more certainty treatments whether alternative ( like homepopathic or any other ) whether official.
What basic diet and aditional supplements would be optimal for protecting kidneys and liver during this six months period ?

Is there any other way to releive the joints pains and stiffness?
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:33 AM
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First off, hi, and welcome.
There are things you can give your dog for the joints, pain and liver, but I am not sure that you have all of those medications in Slovenia.
For the joints, supplements with glucosamine, chondroitin and MSM support the lubrication of the joints, a brand here in the states is Cosequin DS plus MSM, especially made for dogs but there are also human supplements available but you have to make sure there are no added ingredients which could be harmful to dogs. That is why I stick with made for dogs meds.
Another good supplement to add is fish oil. Here you can get is in capsules or in liquid, can use the human version or especially made for dogs. The human fish oil pills do work well on dogs, if not any added other vitamins or such included in the fish oil.
Then there are injections called Adequan, they also help with lubricating the joints.
For pain there are non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like Metacam, Rimadyl, Deramax etc. But, your dog's liver has to be in good working order for those.
To protect the liver we have liver enzyme supplements like Denamarin which contains milk thistle and SAMe. My senior dogs are on that, as well as the above listed joint supplements, fish oil etc..
You might have to google all those items to see if you have all these available in your country or somewhere in Europe, you can order it from.

I take it that your dog was on Doxycycline for all those 3 months?

My golden tested positive for Ehrlichia this summer, which is also a tick borne disease but he did not have any symptoms and he was on three weeks of Doxycycline. We caught it early. But my Golden already had arthritis issues, not realted to Ehrlichia.

Anyway, good luck to your boy. I am sure there will be other people chiming in with advise.
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Hello Christa,

Grateful for your answer.
Let me first check what I can get and what is available and then get back.
So most important is to get following items:
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Originally Posted by cgriffin View Post
First off, hi, and welcome.
There are things you can give your dog for the joints, pain and liver, but I am not sure that you have all of those medications in Slovenia.
  • For the joints, supplements with
  • glucosamine,
  • chondroitin and
  • MSM support the lubrication of the joints,
  • a brand here in the states is Cosequin DS plus MSM, especially made for dogs but there are also human supplements available but you have to make sure there are no added ingredients which could be harmful to dogs. That is why I stick with made for dogs meds.
  • Another good supplement to add is fish oil. Here you can get is in capsules or in liquid, can use the human version or especially made for dogs. The human fish oil pills do work well on dogs, if not any added other vitamins or such included in the fish oil.
  • Then there are injections called Adequan, they also help with lubricating the joints.
  • For pain there are non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like Metacam, Rimadyl, Deramax etc. But, your dog's liver has to be in good working order for those.
  • To protect the liver we have liver enzyme supplements like Denamarin which contains milk thistle and SAMe. My senior dogs are on that, as well as the above listed joint supplements, fish oil etc..


You might have to google all those items to see if you have all these available in your country or somewhere in Europe, you can order it from.

  • I take it that your dog was on Doxycycline for all those 3 months?

My golden tested positive for Ehrlichia this summer, which is also a tick borne disease but he did not have any symptoms and he was on three weeks of Doxycycline. We caught it early. But my Golden already had arthritis issues, not realted to Ehrlichia.

Anyway, good luck to your boy. I am sure there will be other people chiming in with advise.
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Highlighted items? Yes, that is correct.
I am assuming all the joint issues your dog has, are signs of arthritis setting in which can happen with the tick borne diseases. All above supplements are for protection and lubrication of the joints and of course Denamarin for the liver.

The previously mentioned "Doxycycline" is an antibiotic that is given for tick borne diseases here in the states. I assume that that is what your dog had to take for the past 3 months?

Another thought, if your dog is very painful, but cannot take the non-steroidal anti-inflammatories such as Rimadyl, Metacam and so on because of liver issues, you could ask your vet about "Tramadol". It is not so hard on the liver/kidneys and could give your dog some needed pain relief.

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On the tick list (instructions on how to subscribe at the first link here): Tick Links it is recommended that you treat aggressively, at 10 mg/kg twice a day for 8 weeks, to help prevent recurrence. It's possible that your dog was under treated, which is usually what happens here in the U.S. When they are not treated aggressively enough, after some time, it turns out they will have a chronic form.

It's important to monitor blood counts, and also liver and kidney values. Liver support is very important. Here, this is a favorite product for liver, and some kidney support, but you will have to look around and see what type of liver support you have available to you: Country Life Liver Support Factors -- 100 Tablets - Vitacost And yes, joint supplements, glucosamine and chondroitin.

Lyme is chronic. When antibiotics kills the lyme spirochete, it can change into a cyst form, and when antibiotics are stopped, it can then change back, which makes getting rid of Lyme difficult. Anaplasmosis can also be chronic, depends on when in the disease process that you got it.

For Lyme, there are some herbals that folks on the tick list have used, Samento, Banderol, Cumanda, Teasel Root, but there is no definite protocol or dosing.
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Lymme boreliosis and anaplasmosis at the same time

Hello friends,

Thank you from bottom of my heart for your support and encouragements.

I did not dare to give you answer before I did some steps and organize on new situations.
So after the vet-s antibiotic therapy there are strong sympto Ericaceaepoms of arthritis on front legs.

For liver support we are giving him Glicopan drops.
In the food enriched with probiotics adding parsley and broccoli sprouts.
In the evening two hours after the evening meal, giving him through injecting to his mouth, fresh barley juice, juiced from the barley grown on balcony.
This will be possible while the weather is allowing to grow on balcony ( winter time ).

Just ordered Samento drops and MSM.
So in next days we'll have to organize how to orchestrate all these remedies in synergy but not to be opponent to each other?

So please any direction or warnings are most apreciated about the orchestrated dosage.


I also heard for some plant called Boswellia that was clinically tested on dog's on human's behalf. Any opinion , experience or warning on side effects.

Grateful for your help,
Blessings and love to our dog's souls friends,
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Hello,
After a while reporting the efforts for improve the 9 yrs Golden Retriver status:
In october after few weeks antibiotic Vets prescribed therapy with antibiotics ( doxyciline ) and his invitation to come after six month on the test controle for the blood and liver test for boreliosis and anaplasmosis infection we did the following:

1. October
1.1 dietary food with probiotic enrichments ( morning ) and haptic support evening
1.2 Glicopan for liver support
1.3 few times a week fresh green juice one small whiskey glass

Indications:
- slow movements of legs, joints in front legs , cracking when massaging his front legs
- one time completely not able to walk for whole day
- chondritin+glucozamin

2. November and December
2.1 stop giving him glicopan
2.2 start to give him Samento drops , sometimes mixed with barley juice
small whiskey glass 10 to 15 drops to whiskey glass
one day with water twice a day, another day with barley juice once per day.
2.3 dietetic food: probiotic and hepatic ( two different one for morning, another for early evening )
2.4 through the day goji berries as supplement during walk
2.5 some product that comprises MSM+chondritin+glucozamin+ester Vitamin C
sometimes replaced with pure MSM tablet.
2.6 giving salmon's oil few times per week

Indications:
- slowly walk
- 2 times in these twoo months when at morning he could not walk at all
- very rarely when he could walk very souvereign
- few times excreeted feaces that is very slimmy ( is this because of
MSM or salmon's oil ? )
- enjoy massaging of the legs - artritic symptoms are not diminishing?


Homeopatic experts are providing information that with homeopathic treatment could benefit in much beter status than with antibiotic and home natural remedies?


Thank you all for Any information or hint or reference and experience.
Blessings and happyness with your customers and your pets,
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Doxycycline at 10mg/k6 for four to six weeks should make a huge difference. We have struggled with anaplasmosis, and the inclusion matter in the white blood cells is telltale.
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I am sorry if your boy has not shown any marked improvement and that the Doxycycline has not helped so far. But, tick borne diseases can cause arthritis and given that your dog is 9 years old, arthritis also tends to set in in older dogs.

I suppose the salmon oil could make him have more of a soft bowl movement. Make sure you give all meds with food, should cut down on stomach issues.

Great that you are massaging his legs and I bet he enjoys it

Has he been on any pain meds for his arthritis? If not, that would be a place to start to give him more comfort and be more willing to walk. When he does not walk, his joints will be stiffer and his muscles will atrophy, lose muscle mass and make it even harder for him to walk.

I really don't know what is available in your country as in dog rehability facilities. Here we have acupuncture, cold laser treatments, underwater treadmills, bone marrow therapy and so on.

Good luck to your boy and you and Merry Christmas.
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