Thank you all for your prayers and whishes. I am sure your energy will contribute.
Just one question. I was just reading about curcumin ( curcuma plant ) as being very beneficial in anti-inflammatory processes. Also used at the dogs ( but not in arthritic symptoms ) but in cancer preventing symptoms. I wonder if anybody of you have experience in curcumin treatment. According to readings it could be added to regular food ( possibly probiotic enriched because of possible constipations side effects ) but your experiences are valuable to me. The resseller at which I ordered Samento droplets ticnture is also selling Curcumin tincture. So I wonder what would be the optimum for use as daily supplements perhaps as exchanging with Samento tincture used synergy effect of combination? My questions is if the Herxheimer or die-off effect when Samento or antibiotic is initiating process of mass bacteria strains to be killed this amounts of necrotized cells are then washed from the internal organs to the only safest place for toxins and rest of bacteria JOINTS. So it is like some hiding last hiding place. This information is valuable to me so that I can know if I am ont the right paht when there is stronger arthritic attack maybe this is not catastrophe but goldie's body is just cleaning and we should consider better way to wash the joints from the internal. What I am wondering now is there any way beside the methods you mentioned: acupuncture, radiation bone marrow therapy to cleanse the internal space between joints tissues and cells that are responsbile for regenerating the joints? Guess the body is capable of own regeneration but how to help him?

My Samantha had clinical Lyme disease at 1.5 years and clinical anaplasmosis at 7.5 years. Both times,she rapidly responded to doxycycline. She is 10.5 years now, and perfectly sound... Maybe looking further into other causes of polyarthropathies?

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I was not talking about radiation bone marrow therapy.
There is another bone marrow therapy but I don't really know what it involves, my surgeon who performed my Golden's orthopedic surgeries suggested it. I will have to do some research on that.
Anyway, I know nothing about curcumin, so I cannot help you with that.
Pain meds, I was talking non-steroidal anti-inflammatories such as Rimadyl, Metacam to give your golden some relief.
I know nothing about herbal therapies or homeopathic remedies.
There are also Adequan injections, which help lubricate the joints, it is like the glucosamine/chondroitin supplement but injectable with faster results.

I hope your vet will be able to get to the bottom of your dog's problems and finally be able to help him, good luck and Merry Christmas.

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Ivan, I am so sorry, I wrote the wrong thing. I did not mean bone marrow therapy I ment 'stem cell' therapy. My mind was elsewhere.
The surgeon was talking about stem cell therapy for my dog with arthritis.
So sorry!

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We looked into stem cell therapy for a client's dog... I believe up here, Tufts would do it, but it was extremely expensive.

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Yes, that is what I heard also and a bit invasive from what the surgeon said.

He was mentioning another procedure, not as costly and it involved drawing blood, spinning it down and taking parts of it and injecting it into the affected joints. I cannot remember what he called it and which part of the blood is re-injected.

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Christa

Hello everybody,

Grateful for your support. Blessings for all your familly members and neighbours and certainly for your
goldies. My frined goldie Tim is doing better. But it seems he has problems with mobiltiy in waves. Today we made first longer hike into the forest. To me this was revelation because we were such a goodd team on hiking to mountains and really miss him with me. But today I felt so great while picking stinging nettle and hike for the first time in the forest.
So what is the issue now how to improve his status with up and downs and arthritic waves. Seems there are periods when I can feel cracking in his front legs while massaging him and his slowly walking. But there are days his energy is like in old times. Just feeling have a lot of reserves for imrproving his status. So what is the deal now:
1. He receives regularly each day ( twice per day droplets of Samento ) exchanging with Banderol droplets ( one month first sort, second month another one )
2. Receives dog pills that contains MSM+vitamin C + glucosamin + chondirtin

Now we are the point where decision has to be made for make next step or just stagnate in current
status that is very unstable and afraid if stagnation could return to worsening.
Received several suggestion to make some change and next level of improving or making better:

Please your help is most valuable:
1. Royal Jelly ...
I was told that bee's fresh royal jelly could enrich his body immune system
Is that true, I have no experience with royal jelly for dogs.
Me personally was intaking years ago but only as recovery as ultramarathon and
once when I was agraid to got sick for tick borne viral meningitis ...And at that time
helped me. So this time wondering about dog's support for royal jelly...

2. One lady here in my region told me she got advanced with her pet dog with cellfood product protocol
starting with oxygenaton....


3. I was adviced curcumiin( turmeric ) for joint inflammation
but i am not familiar with side effects specially on liver


what were your steps after first step of recovery?

Welcome back, I am glad that your dog is not really worse off.
Are you still giving the salmon oil? That is something that can be given daily.
I am not familiar with the effects of turmeric and by Royal Jelly, are you speaking of honey?
In your earlier posts, there were recommendations for dosing the Doxycycline, did you ever figure out if you got this particular antibiotic and at the correct dose?

I have had major arthritis issues with my Toby, not tick disease related though. I had pursued laser therapy and wanted to try acupuncture. Sadly, Toby got worse, was diagnosed with cancer which explained his getting weaker and passed away 8 weeks ago. We never got to try acupuncture.

Have you checked into any treatments that might help like the cold laser therapy, acupuncture?
Do you have any possibilities of letting your dog swim? That would help with muscle mass building without being a strain on the joints.

Anyway, good luck, keep us posted.

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Dear Christa,

Very sorry for Toby.
I can not imagine the pain when you loose soul mate in dog. I am sure he fuflilled and someway still fulifilling your live and lives of your familly mambers ad neighbours. Whish you to overcome the pain and resides in your best dreams as guide and happy his soul was on common train with your Life.

Let me once more go through your check List.
First of all to get the information from the VET what antibotic he was given at the first therapy.
Acupuncture guess it is good idea. But got to check in my region if anyone is offering this service for the pets.

Royal jelly is not ordinary bee honey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_jelly.
But it is made strictly by bee workers for bee queen and baby bees. It does not have so much sugar and more enrich with amino-acids ...The problem is that in my region now is the season possible to get fresh royall jelly that is more bioactive than liofilized or other conserved forms. And this season will last only to the start of the summer. So need to quickly react if this is potential for even smaller releif and benefit.

For human ( I tested on me for inflammations after longterm physical extreme efforts and also in boreliosis case at human is helpfull ) it is very helpfull for inflammation and cells recovery specially for immune system. When considering dogs it is just need to know if there are any possible side toxic effects. Guess not but it would be good to be sure. And another one...which is little more difficult.
At the human it is much more helpfull if it is dosed under the tongue and be left there for a minute because this way it is directly absorbed to lymph and blood. How to proceed this with Goldie? No chance? But guess if this could be helpfull than any way is good for absorption than not to dose him.