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Okay, I am going to contact Diana Mason tomorrow and see if I can meet her- this forum is the best!

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yet another reason to go to dog shows....to watch the prof handlers when they are not in the ring ....

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yet another reason to go to dog shows....to watch the prof handlers when they are not in the ring ....
AGREED! funny what you may *see* when they don't know eyes are on them!



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Okay, I am going to contact Diana Mason tomorrow and see if I can meet her- this forum is the best!
She's in Fitchburg this weekend, I saw her today and I'll be back tomorrow. I'll let her know you will be calling.
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Diana showed Cramer when he was 16 months and I have to say she does an excellent job and does an excellent job grooming the dogs. I think she only shows Goldens. We had a husband and wife team that showed him quite a bit and always showed Yogi but imo I think Diana did a much better job. Cramer hated the ring. He thought he was king and his tail was always high. I have seen how she works with the dogs and would trust her.
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I have two opinions on the professional handler/owner handler thing ! I enjoy showing, grooming my dogs and like to take them out to shows as well ~ I think that the owner handlers are few and far between and that there should be more ~ I also hate the fact that the best dog doesn't always win with professional handlers and there are judges that go with faces, I belive it is a disservice to the breed. That being said there is a need for people who are professional handlers for other reason too - my work schedule also dicatates alot of the shows I can or cannot get to, and shows that are far away etc - I don't have a problem hiring a professional to take my dogs there. I know alot of people in the states show their own puppies for practise in sweeps and regular puppy classes and send them out with handlers when they are older and more competitive. I think word of mouth is the best way to find a handler.
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How long is one considered a novice handler? Are the same judges at the sweeps as at the nationals? What I gather from this thread is it does not matter how long the owner shows their own dogs, they are considered a novice. So... If I show my dog and win can I draw myself up a business card and ask you to pay me to show your dog and then I am no longer a novice? The entire professional handler thing has always had me baffled. I get the impression that if you have not grown up through the ranks of showing you can not title your dog. Judges are biassed to the pro's. Can someone please explain to me so I understand?
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How long is one considered a novice handler?
Until one does not have two left feet (BTW, I am still working on this one myself)

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What I gather from this thread is it does not matter how long the owner shows their own dogs, they are considered a novice. So... If I show my dog and win can I draw myself up a business card and ask you to pay me to show your dog and then I am no longer a novice? The entire professional handler thing has always had me baffled. I get the impression that if you have not grown up through the ranks of showing you can not title your dog. Judges are biassed to the pro's. Can someone please explain to me so I understand?
There is a difference between an owner-handler, and an amateur owner-handler. There are many wonderful owner-handlers out there that know what they are doing and are just as good, if not better, than the pros. They win, they get championships on their dogs.

However, if you are an amateur than means you are not experienced yet and know all the tricks of the trade, so that makes it infinitely harder to win against someone who does. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen (and I am hoping for it, lol). I did meet a pro handler that started just that way. Got himself a dog and started showing it for fun. Somebody thought he was pretty good and offered to pay him to show their dog. Things took off from there.
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I would like to know why dogs in conformation can crap all over indoor shows, while Obedience dogs get disqualified?
I have also seen some rough handlers in Conformation.. and folks in obedience very heavy handed!!!
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I would like to know why dogs in conformation can crap all over indoor shows, while Obedience dogs get disqualified?
I have also seen some rough handlers in Conformation.. and folks in obedience very heavy handed!!!

I don't know for sure the rules regarding this but..it may have something to do with the fact in the breed ring the dog is judged differently - movement, coat, outline, etc. while in obedience a dog os judged on behaviour, teamwork etc. While I have never had a dog mess in the ring I do think it could happen to anyone - Danny's first show she didn't go (number 2) all weekend (I think she was nervous being away from home) when she got home she really went but a day longer and who knows she might have gone in the ring once she couldn't hold it any longer....depends on the different situations.
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