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At the National in Ohio, there were several comments by spectators chastising the grooming of the goldens in the rescue parade.
That's horrible. Perhaps rather than speaking ugly of others they should volunteer their abilities towards a little workshop to teach those not involved in the show ring on how to groom a golden.

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That's horrible. Perhaps rather than speaking ugly of others they should volunteer their abilities towards a little workshop to teach those not involved in the show ring on how to groom a golden.
Jodie - these are done all the time through the clubs...

Sometimes you have to pay, however if you figure out how much people spend over at Petsmart for grooming - it's worth it.

There also always more to learn. I'm hoping to attend a grooming and handling seminar through a local club in a couple months. What I hope to take from the seminar is dog specific tips and feedback.

*** Also, one thing to throw out there. I don't know how it all followed through... I went down to the Columbus specialty, but was kinda frazzled + had my time down there abbreviated because of work. I also didn't get much time to visit with people I knew other than stopping by to wish some good luck. But leading up to the show, there were people discussing helping the field dogs get groomed up nicely for showing in the gun classes. Obviously, the parade of rescues people won't be putting their dogs on tables and grooming 1-2 hours before going out there and I think it's unreasonable to expect a rescue dog to look like a show dog even with spic and span. But very basic grooming, if people are planning to take their rescues into the parade before hand... they could reach out to the clubs out there for who can do a basic groom on their dogs.


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Both Mid FL and the Atlanta GRCs have grooming days for rescues. I haven't participated in MF's yet but at AGRCs the hardest thing was that the dogs were unused to being groomed at all, and often I felt like owners were mostly getting their dog (who was supposed to be clean so not to kill our tools) done up for a $15 donation- and then took them home and maybe bathed them maybe not.
At the Parade of Rescues, though, those dogs are generally clean- and I would be happy to help you if it doesn't fall on CCA day.
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Three out of four of my kids did Juniors. As someone said, have him watch the seniors, especially those with Goldens or larger breeds. The judge is looking to see if he knows how to present his dog to it's best advantage so he needs to have someone help him on what pace/speed to show his puppy, especially as your puppy starts growing up. My kids practiced at our Kennel Club's conformation classes as well. Other exhibitors were always willing to help them. Make sure he knows to not run at a show and to be on the quieter side if he's an outgoing young man. If he can win the respect of any handlers they'll start giving him tips. My kids ended up with judges and handlers all working with them. And make sure he understands when he first starts out he isn't going to win, it's a learning curve, the more he goes out and does it, the better he'll get. Make sure he always has good sportsmanship and congratulates the winners. It will be noticed if he does and also if he doesn't. Most of all help him to understand he needs to have fun for himself and to make sure his puppy is having fun as well. There are also some good books on Junior Showmanship. Look at the publishing dates if you look for some as you'll want the newer ones. And keep us posted on how he's does, with pictures of course!
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Jodie - these are done all the time through the clubs...

Sometimes you have to pay, however if you figure out how much people spend over at Petsmart for grooming - it's worth it.
I was actually speaking about specifically at the National. If they think the dogs taking part in a parade of rescues should be groomed a certain way, why don't they have a group there to help educate them how rather than just make snide comments?

Not everyone is part of a golden club or lives anywhere close to one. I for one live three hours from the closest club, and seeing as most meetings are on week days, there's no way I could make enough consecutive meetings to become a member. I check their calendar regularly and I never see any kind of grooming workshop listed, at least not one open to non members.

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And make sure he understands when he first starts out he isn't going to win, it's a learning curve, the more he goes out and does it, the better he'll get. Make sure he always has good sportsmanship and congratulates the winners. It will be noticed if he does and also if he doesn't. Most of all help him to understand he needs to have fun for himself and to make sure his puppy is having fun as well. And keep us posted on how he's does, with pictures of course!
A big point- I sort of glossed over it but he really should not expect to win for a while. And in Best Junior, not for years probably. When Maxie showed her very first time in Juniors there were of course FIVE kids (there are 4 ribbons) and she came in dead last. Stood there till everyone got their ribbon. Said to the judge, 'someone was going to lose, thank you for judging' , and that was pretty much her attitude always. Funny thing though- she ran into that judge probably 8-9 years later- and he remembered her. It turned out that her first day in the ring was also his first time judging Juniors- he told her that she had inspired him. We never know when our attitude changes others' perceptions- it's wonderful if we learn about our influence later but I am willing to be someone somewhere remembers us every day for something. I hope it is always a good memory!
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We have a few fantastic junior handers who now can show almost any breed against adults and hold their own. However, they started out exclusively in juniors with their own dog. That gives a sturdy foundation. My handler gives her time often at shows to run seminars at lunch with other AKC handlers to teach & mentor juniors. There are so many opportunities , that it can wait for them both to go in the "big" ring for confidence and sealegs. It isn't a bad idea to have a professional handler show the pup a few times, so the puppy has a sure-handed early experience . It can be great fun for a junior to show a finished champion who is an experienced show dog in the same vein.It is complicated, bc theownerof that dog musty be willing to put the kiddo on the papers( I have done so twice), but there is something to be said fora green young handler teamed up with an experienced show dog and a green young puppy teamed up with an experienced handler. That is not to say it isn't equally rewarding for the two to grow together, the puppy and the junior, but you need an amazing class or mentor.

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I was actually speaking about specifically at the National. If they think the dogs taking part in a parade of rescues should be groomed a certain way, why don't they have a group there to help educate them how rather than just make snide comments?
I'm not defending the snarky comments. I'm just thinking about the context. I honestly don't think any criticism is appropriate when it concerns pets, which the rescues are. I think that's just terrible from that perspective. If people were into flapping their gums about what they saw - they should at least wait until they get back to their setups. Just because there's going to be family members and friends around.

It may be the grooming was the only negative thing for them. They might have been sitting there to support and cheer on the rescues - if these were exhibitors for the big classes, that's a pretty big deal. It's not often you have people watching classes that they are not directly or indirectly involved with.

You see this in obedience. You have the "watch ME" prima donnas in obedience who compete for OTCH in open and utility, who whine about people not sticking around to watch and cheer them on... and these same people never ever wander into the novice, beginner novice, pre novice, rally sides of things to cheer on people they don't know. Every sport has the same types of people involved.

So the people who do stick around to cheer on rescues - if these were breed people or exhibitors, good on them! Regardless of the "OMG the groom job" comments they might have been making. I'm going out on a limb and say it was better than if they were critiquing the dogs themselves.

I'm willing to bet that all the dogs in the parade were taken to groomers prior to participating in the parade. How the dog is groomed varies based on the knowledge of the groomer and also the permission of the owner. Some people are told 99 times where to go or how to groom and it sometimes goes in one ear and out the other. Only time it makes sense is when somebody actually grooms their dog the proper way and they see the difference.

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Many dogs had untidy ears & slippers on feet. Not sure how connected rescues are associated w/ their local GR clubs--I've yet to experience any close ties having lived in the South, Midwest & now MidAtlantic and aside from providing donations it's just not there which to me is an untapped source for education & performance sports--so I don't know that those in the parade would even think to reach out to the breed community for help. My first experience w/ the competitive golden world was walking in the parade at National back in Atlanta--had no clue there was this whole other world out there. But, back to the point of getting experience in grooming, I think it would be a great source to practice grooming for someone starting out w/o the pressure of having ruined someone's show dog and I do hope I don't end up changing jobs this Summer so I can attend National and do want to treat those rescues to a special day, something magical about getting to walk the ring w/ your dog...


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"there were several comments by spectators chastising the grooming of the goldens in the rescue parade"

I totally missed that. I was so excited to see you and Duke in the ring. He looked gorgeous and you guys were awesome out there. It was extremely moving to see all those sweet beautiful goldens out there and to know they were in their forever homes with owners that loved them.


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