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So I'm going to be showing Keisel at least once or twice in the future when he is ready. I'm brand new to this and my breeder is very excited that I'm going to try it out at least. I received the Top Pick male however the breeder is not co-owned with me. I understand at the higher level its going to be hard for me to compete as being a novice and IF I were serious I probably should have co-owned but I decided against that. I'm going to do this for fun and see where Keisel takes me!

Anyways, I've been practicing with Keisel on stacking him, however I don't have a table so I'm using Plastic Storage boxes for now lol. It'll do since he's still small enough. I would like advice on what you see in this picture and where I can improve when stacking him. I want him to be comfortable with standing there without food eventually so I'm practicing with him almost every other day for a few minutes.

I've also attached a picture of Keisel following me around the pool, captured this photo and thought it came out pretty good. He's not completely off the ground but pretty close! What do you guys think? How is his reach?

Also attached a photo of his side profile to see his head and stop. Thanks everyone for all your constructive criticism ahead of time! I really appreciate it :-)

In all these pictures he's between 8-9 weeks old.
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I know nothing on this subject but, I give him a 10! Good luck, I look forward to following your progress
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You have him stacked decent, but his rear legs need to come back a little. His hocks need to be perpendicular to the ground. He has good reach, needs a little more drive from what I am seeing in photos. Looks like his front might be stronger than his rear. Good stop IMO, but I would like to see more length of neck.

What did Candi think of him? Did they evaluate him? Did they tell you what the pros and cons were of him?

He is a cutie for sure! Enter some puppy matches... Tons of fun and relaxed setting!


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I don't agree that if you were serious you needed to co-own. Many breeders will not let a pick puppy go on full registration without a co-own agreement, but not having it will not prevent him from doing well in conformation, IMO. It will probably be less dramatic for you, since co-owns can be complicated at times.

I am a relative newbie to conformation, with Jack as my first conformation dog, but I have a little bit of experience. It is hard to stack puppies. I would suggest something other than the plastic lids because there is not enough room for his back feet to be placed correctly at this point, and obviously it will get worse as he grows. When I have practiced with my puppies I try to get them to pull themselves up and over their front, usually food held out farther away from them and brought back quickly after they are doing what you want (if that makes any sense?) helps. I also will hold their tail and very slightly pull straight back on it to cause them to pull forward.

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You will do just fine! He's awesome
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Don't know anything about stacking or showing but he's a very good looking pup. I like his color and if he darkens up to the shade of his ears, as they often do, he'll be a beautiful color. Good luck!


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You have him stacked decent, but his rear legs need to come back a little. His hocks need to be perpendicular to the ground. He has good reach, needs a little more drive from what I am seeing in photos. Looks like his front might be stronger than his rear. Good stop IMO, but I would like to see more length of neck.

What did Candi think of him? Did they evaluate him? Did they tell you what the pros and cons were of him?

He is a cutie for sure! Enter some puppy matches... Tons of fun and relaxed setting!
What would produce a little more drive? Yes Candi loved him - she evaluated all the females and males. The only negative thing she really said about him was his ears and that they are a little long, but he had a good ear set. Great front, Y back, good tail set, has pearls, great angles and great bone in him. I don't really remember much more than that because I'm still new at learning all the terms lol. I'm sure she said a few things were just okay but all in all he's was the best of all the males.

Where can I find puppy matches? That sounds like a lot of fun! Is there a minimum age requirement? Thank you for your criticism!! :-)

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I don't agree that if you were serious you needed to co-own. Many breeders will not let a pick puppy go on full registration without a co-own agreement, but not having it will not prevent him from doing well in conformation, IMO. It will probably be less dramatic for you, since co-owns can be complicated at times.

I am a relative newbie to conformation, with Jack as my first conformation dog, but I have a little bit of experience. It is hard to stack puppies. I would suggest something other than the plastic lids because there is not enough room for his back feet to be placed correctly at this point, and obviously it will get worse as he grows. When I have practiced with my puppies I try to get them to pull themselves up and over their front, usually food held out farther away from them and brought back quickly after they are doing what you want (if that makes any sense?) helps. I also will hold their tail and very slightly pull straight back on it to cause them to pull forward.
I will have to agree with you on how hard it is to stack puppies lol. If i didn't have enough treats in my hands then he would want to jump down and play lol. I will have to try and get something better for him to stand on because he will grow sooner than i think. I think I know what you mean by getting them to pull themselves up onto the table, just not 100% sure. Maybe there are some YouTube videos I can search to help. I'll try the tail trick as well! Thank you!!


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He is cute! I think you will have fun with him! Like others have said, his rear feet need to be further back. Nice muzzle and face. The most important part is to have fun!!


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I don't understand, just because he isn't co-owned, does that mean that your breeder won't help you to show him?
Why would it be harder for a novice than a dog co-owned by a pro?

By the way, he is beautiful, or should I say handsome. Great photos. I especially like the one of him trotting along side the pool with his head up and someone holding a treat for him.
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I don't understand, just because he isn't co-owned, does that mean that your breeder won't help you to show him?
Why would it be harder for a novice than a dog co-owned by a pro?

By the way, he is beautiful, or should I say handsome. Great photos. I especially like the one of him trotting along side the pool with his head up and someone holding a treat for him.
I was told that when you get into the 'big shows' that if he is not co-owned you can't have anyone but the owner or breeder show him (so that only leaves two and my breeder doesn't handle her dogs at the shows). I might have misunderstood when I heard this so correct me if I'm wrong and that will be good news! Again, I'm new at this and there is a lot of reading that I'm doing to be more knowledgeable. Also, don't get me wrong - my breeder is 100% okay with helping me as far as teaching me the ropes and giving me good advice - she just doesn't do the showing herself.

Thank you for your kind words! That is me holding the treat running backwards. My boyfriend taking the photos kept saying 'I can't wait to watch you fall butt first into the pool' lol not funny!!


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