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Stubborn boy, lays down and refuses to move.

I have a 14 month old very cheeky boy. He is good natured but very stubborn. He knows all the commands but invariably will only do them if there is something in it for him. You can ask him to give you his paw, till you are blue in the face and he'll sit there as if he hasn't heard you. Get a treat out of your pocket and his paw will be be there in a millisecond

Anyway I know we have inadvertantly taught him to be naughty, he has worked out if he doesn't do something first time of asking he may get offered a treat next time and therefore holds out. Most of the time I can live with his stubborness but there is one thing I really need to master.

When we go on walks, if he does not want to go home, go in a certain direction etc he just hits the deck and refuses to move. He is a big boy and I am six months pregnant so I can't physically make him. It is pretty embarrassing when he is laying flat on the pavement and I have to explain to passers by that he's fine it's just a sit down protest! Anyway without the physical presence to make him move the only way I can get him up is to offer him a treat - Doh I know reinforcing this negative behaviour, I don't know what else to do however as I really cannot move him. Soon I will have a buggy as well and really need to sort this - any ideas that don't involve brute force!!! I don't think I help matters as invariably I end up laughing as it is so comical.
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I have a 14 month old very cheeky boy. He is good natured but very stubborn. He knows all the commands but invariably will only do them if there is something in it for him. You can ask him to give you his paw, till you are blue in the face and he'll sit there as if he hasn't heard you. Get a treat out of your pocket and his paw will be be there in a millisecond

Anyway I know we have inadvertantly taught him to be naughty, he has worked out if he doesn't do something first time of asking he may get offered a treat next time and therefore holds out. Most of the time I can live with his stubborness but there is one thing I really need to master.

When we go on walks, if he does not want to go home, go in a certain direction etc he just hits the deck and refuses to move. He is a big boy and I am six months pregnant so I can't physically make him. It is pretty embarrassing when he is laying flat on the pavement and I have to explain to passers by that he's fine it's just a sit down protest! Anyway without the physical presence to make him move the only way I can get him up is to offer him a treat - Doh I know reinforcing this negative behaviour, I don't know what else to do however as I really cannot move him. Soon I will have a buggy as well and really need to sort this - any ideas that don't involve brute force!!! I don't think I help matters as invariably I end up laughing as it is so comical.
I have no advice (sorry) but I had to laugh reading this. Our Bailey used to do this all the time! As an example, we used to go to Indian Lake State Park in Michigans UP. It had a loop road that was exactly 1 mile around. We would take Bailey and Jake camping and would go on our nightly walks around the campground. There were times that we would get maybe 150 feet from our camper after doing almost the entire loop and Bailey would just sit in the middle of the Road. We had a choice. Pick him up and carry him or turn around and go the entire way back around the mile loop.
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:15 PM
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LOL. Sorry to laugh, but I love the visual I got while reading this.

My Jasper was my stubborn boy when he was about that age. If he was in the yard and I told him to come in and he didn't want to, he would flop over on his back and wave all 4 up in the air. It always made me laugh, which is what I am sure he was hoping I would do!

I have always referred to this as passive resistance. They don't outright defy you, instead, they lie down and refuse to move.
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:16 PM
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I had a golden Raleigh, who would make a mad dash for the lake at summer camp everytime he knew he had to go in my cabin while the campers and other staff went to a meal. He would swim just off shore- it was VERY naughty, funny, but irritating. He grew out of it. Until then, I could get him out by hiding behind a tree or around a corner. If he couldnt have his audience, then he'd start wondering where I went. I realize it would be hard for you to either hand his leash to a stranger or find something to hitch his leash to safely so you could nonchalantly walk away, so I'm not sure how you could do this effect of ignoring? Maybe you could turn your back completely to him and cross your arms over your chest like in training a dog not to jump & just wait him out, ignoring him until he moved on forward his own and then giving the treat?
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Oh what a goof!

First off it might help to use the 'nothing in life is free' method with him. You can google that and get more info, but it boils down to he doesn't get toys, food, affection without going through you and 'working' for it. So if he wants to play ball, he has to sit or down before you'll throw it. If he wants to eat, he has to do a stay first.... instead of being handed his dinner and you throwing the ball for him just because.

Second, get a collar that works for him that will stay up behind his ears, not down near his chest. Go a different way each time you walk, change directions often and keep it brisk. If he decides to lay down in protest, having the collar up high will help give you more power, and you can 'pop' him to keep moving. I would take some good treats with you as well and give him treats as you walk, every so often. If he does his protest thing don't give in, you can take him by the collar and get him up and moving again if you have to, when he's gone a few feet reward with several treats. Ideally as he's starting to think about protesting you can pop a treat his way and keep walking, so he forgets he's trying to take control of things.

With the stroller, have treats on it as well, and teach him where you'd like him to walk (my guys either walk beside on the left side or behind the stroller) and give him just enough leash for him to walk there. Actually strollers work really well for dogs who pull, I just turn the stroller into them if they start to pull a lot, and they've all learned manners and where I want them to be. Plus anytime I stop the stroller I have them sit and I give more treats, so they don't mind if I have to stop and adjust anything - it means treat time!

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My dog Charlie used to do that and still does sometimes i found the best thing was i put a harness on her so its easier to get them up i know maybe at the moment you would struggle.
And when she just used to lay down it was because she did not want to walk back the same we we had just come so i just used to turn right round with her this never failed out on a walk as she though she was going were she wanted and i still have to do this sometimes but its works for Charlie.
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With you being pregnant, you don't want to try and lift him in any way. For this specific bit of naughtiness, you might try grabbing his tail. Most dogs aren't fond of having their tails held, so a quick grab as you say "let's go" might solve his "heck no I won't go" protest. As general training, I agree that this cheeky adolescent needs NILF (Nothing In Life is Free) on a regular basis before baby comes. You won't have the patience to deal with bratty behavior from a pup when you're tired and cranky with your new little one. Train every day from now until delivery and take him out with the buggy before baby arrives so he's used to it and knows how to navigate with you and the stroller. Heck, put a baby doll in it and stop every so often to fuss over the doll.
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I sympathize as we had the exact same issue when ours was 5-6 months and it was a nightmare! To your point earlier, it was comical yet embarrassing at the same time. I'm not sure when the turning point was, but we tried everything...from treating, to looking the other way/ignoring, getting a harness, slight nudging, etc. Someone on the Forum said they can look at it as a game. Anyway, eventually he stopped with practice on our end, having a firmer tone, and implementing NILF. Fingers crossed he hasn't had any episodes in 2 months! However, he still has a stubborn streak with some other things...

Hang in there and I bet it'll stop before baby comes!
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Thanks everyone sounds like he isn't the only one lol! SF Golden I am afraid to say that Freddy was terrible at 6 months then he too stopped for a few months but it has progressively got worse again over the last couple of months so don't let your guard down!! I know part of the problem is because I am having problems with my pelvis in pregnancy he is mostly getting flat boring walks in the park and it is his way of saying I haven't had enough yet. If he gets a decent walk round the woods he doesn't do it and is happy to come home. I will work on NILF - hopefully he'll grow out of it! x
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My 23 monther does it when we are almost back at the house and/or getting back in the car and he wants to continue doing his thing....did it yesterday in front of the office I work at with multiple coworkers looking on....suffice to say I was mortified as they all believe me to be so composed and so in control of my dogs.."snarf". I rescued Zach at the age of 15 months...for the first 2 months he was perfect, then this "defiance" has started...I think he is simply too knowledgeable that I adore him and think everything he does is funny
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