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" A neutered male, like a gelding instead of a stallion, is often (not always) less dog for the pet owner to deal with. "

One of my concerns when someone is having trouble with their dog and looks to neutering as a way to solving the problem is that they don't look to the reason for the problem. As Jill said above many times this will help though the dog will still really need some training on how to act in an appropriate manner but for dogs that the trouble stems from fear neutering can make the problem even worse. Those that are looking at neutering to solve a problem really should seek out a behaviorist (not just a trainer) to evaluate their dog.

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Sorry that as I posted the thread in a hurry (I think I'd better not let my husband see it), it's bringing misunderstanding about why to neuter.

I never think that neutering is a "magic fix". I just had hoped it might help a little. Whatever, it's true that to neuter or not is a hard question to us. I didn't wait for the final decision and have picked up the socialization training since the day I posted here.

About half year ago, I changed the walk route to a quiet lane near a river to enjoy the stroll. I forgot to maintain the socialization which had been built up nicely during his puppyhood, which might be the main reason to that new fighting issue.

Now I changed back to walk by busier roads. Our boy has walked beautifully in the past days. Yesterday, we passed by a lab mix who was barking and charging on leash toward us. I got my boy's attention with a treat and he heeled perfectly (which we practised a lot when he was a puppy). I will keep on doing that and I believe we can do the same without treats in the future.

My first plan is to help my boy to feel comfortable and relaxed when other big dogs approach. For now, I will avoid onleash greetings with strange big dogs until I'm sure it can be handled safely.
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Sorry that as I posted the thread in a hurry (I think I'd better not let my husband see it), it's bringing misunderstanding about why to neuter.

I never think that neutering is a "magic fix". I just had hoped it might help a little. Whatever, it's true that to neuter or not is a hard question to us. I didn't wait for the final decision and have picked up the socialization training since the day I posted here.

About half year ago, I changed the walk route to a quiet lane near a river to enjoy the stroll. I forgot to maintain the socialization which had been built up nicely during his puppyhood, which might be the main reason to that new fighting issue.

Now I changed back to walk by busier roads. Our boy has walked beautifully in the past days. Yesterday, we passed by a lab mix who was barking and charging on leash toward us. I got my boy's attention with a treat and he heeled perfectly (which we practised a lot when he was a puppy). I will keep on doing that and I believe we can do the same without treats in the future.

My first plan is to help my boy to feel comfortable and relaxed when other big dogs approach. For now, I will avoid onleash greetings with strange big dogs until I'm sure it can be handled safely.
This (the bolded portion above)...is your problem....sorry to sound brunt.

But, allowing your dog to meet leashed another leashed dog is asking for a problem. Dogs hold a fight or flight instinct. If they are approached by a threat (or possible threat), they choose to either flight (run away) or fight. A leashed dog only has the option to fight. Also with tension in the leash when allowing the dogs to meet can send false signals to your or the other dog. Always best to allow to meet other dogs in a controlled environment with a leash dragging (though some dogs still dont do well with the leash attached) or off leash. Your dog is doing what comes naturally to him, fighting a possible threat if the flight option is not there
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You might want to approach this thing from a totally different field and tell him you will drop the subject forever if he will go to the humane society every sat for, say 10 weeks where he will look at each and every dog and then the following week he will inquire about those not there and where did they go? Dogs who arent fixed want to make puppies - it's their JOB! They will disobey sometimes when the urge is strong and if you can't guarantee that he can't seize an opportunity to visit the ladies, know that you're taking a risk with or took part in a litter (no doubt adorable little pups), who may find themselves homeless or worse in the future where they might end up in the society he visited. If you're not going to breed him properly, get your dog fixed, it's the killing I can't take - not the sterilizations.
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You might want to approach this thing from a totally different field and tell him you will drop the subject forever if he will go to the humane society every sat for, say 10 weeks where he will look at each and every dog and then the following week he will inquire about those not there and where did they go? Dogs who arent fixed want to make puppies - it's their JOB! They will disobey sometimes when the urge is strong and if you can't guarantee that he can't seize an opportunity to visit the ladies, know that you're taking a risk with or took part in a litter (no doubt adorable little pups), who may find themselves homeless or worse in the future where they might end up in the society he visited. If you're not going to breed him properly, get your dog fixed, it's the killing I can't take - not the sterilizations.
What I want to say to you....will get me banned. So I will approach this differently.

Firstly, yes, dogs create puppies. The whole " omg the poor poor dogs in the shelter are dying because you wont neuter your dog" bullcrap will not work on me. MY dogs never put any of those dogs in the shelter. I used to volunteer at a high kill humane society and not ONCE did I ever feel guilty about keeping any of my dogs intact. Not ONCE. I am currently involved in rescue and am an open foster. Again, I do not feel guilty about keeping dogs intact (cats are a whole different ball game).

My dogs wont breed, my dogs are trained properly. My intact dogs never held the "omg i must breed now" attitude. In fact, my intact Rottweiler NEVER was leashed. Ever!. The only time this was was leashed with a 1 foot tab was in highly busy public areas and trips to the vet. I had him around in heat females frequently at shows, events, competitions and never once did he stray from his heel position.

Its sad seeing dogs in the shelter but they were not put there by my dogs so why should I neuter mine? To prevent the less then 1% chance of my dogs getting loose and fathering a litter? My dogs health comes first.....sorry. Using this guilt tactic does nothing for me and I hope the OP doesnt listen to it. Shes kept this dog intact for a a while with no issues. The issue is not the dog getting lose but the temperament hurdle.

I can fix my dog tomorrow, and I can promise you the shelter numbers will not decrease. It will only decrease when puppy mills, irresponsible owners and BYB's are FORCED to spay/neuter. Those, are the ones that will make a difference in the shelter population.

Seriously, give your head a shake. Vasectomies offer an alternative to neutering which can effect the dogs health short and long term!
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