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An "honest" dog

That confirms that Bella is definitely not "soft." Although it would be nice if the corrections were more effective at times, her easy going temperament has probably bailed me out a few times. I'm sure I've made plenty of mistakes along the way, and will probably continue to do so.


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I think of my Sally and Mantha as honest dogs. Both dogs did whatever was asked of them... In the obedience ring, they both did whatever they were told to do..never would consider sniffing the floor, going out the gate, etc. What you had was what you got. And Sally was very soft, Mantha is not soft nor hard, just very confident. My Laney, on the other hand always kept me guessing. The first time she got me going, we were showing in Novice B at the Yankee Specialty... I called her to front, she came at100 mph, halfway thru, she stopped and went to check out the other obedience ring next to us. Then she started back up at 100 mph and headed for the ring gate, but at the last minute, turned and came to front. Showed her in Open at the GRCA National in 1999. Sent her over the high jump, she jumped, took a few strides, turned around, sniffed the back of the jump, turned around again, retrieved the dumbbell and came back over the jump, dumbbell in mouth. She actually got her CD and CDX in three straight shows each. Onto Utility A, showing in the pouring rain... Sent her to the articles, ran past the articles to a puddle in the corner, splashed in the puddle, turned around, picked the correct article and brought it back... Ended up winning her class as there are frequently few entries in Utility A and people pulled due to the weather. I always called her my blonde border collie because weather was never a factor with her. And while I don't think she was dishonest in trying to change things up, she was more likely to put her spin on things than dogs likely Mantha and Sally.

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On the retriever forums, they've discussed "soft and hard" extensively.
The consensus seems to be that "soft" or "hard" have to do with how much physical correction a dog can take. A "soft" dog will whine and put up a big show if you so much as smack him with a tissue. A "hard" dog can be smacked with a 2 x 4 (think labs here, LOL) and doesn't even notice.
The other term that is often used is "sensitive", which has more to do with how they respond to verbal corrections.
Tito is a hard dog. But he is very sensitive. You could whack him upside the head and he wouldn't even flinch, but yell at him and he will melt into a puddle on the floor.


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I think terms like "hard" or "soft" are sorta limiting. Barb I've never equated "hard" or "soft" solely in terms of physical corrections, but that's an interesting take on it.
Slater has really taught me a lot about this...
He is can take more pressure from the collar than a lot of dogs, and rarely makes a physical or verbal reaction to the collar. However, he is very sensitive when it comes to verbal or physical corrections from the handler. He will flinch or grovel if corrected by the handler rather than by the collar. There have been times when he's ducked away from me if I've made some odd movement, and he has NEVER been hit as a form of punishment. (**Sidebar :: this is the beauty of training with a modern ecollar program....the dog never thinks you are the bad guy. For Slater this is absolutely essential.) Either way he will rebound and work through the problem immediately afterward; he doesn't sulk or pout. What I've realized is that he is not so much "sensitive" -- he is DEMONSTRATIVE. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. Easy to read! Is this hard or soft? He may display the signs of a soft dog, yet he can take a correction and keep on going.
Fisher is not like this, he never looks too sorry after getting a correction, but yet it doesn't take much to change his behavior with a correction.
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I think of my Sally and Mantha as honest dogs. Both dogs did whatever was asked of them... In the obedience ring, they both did whatever they were told to do..never would consider sniffing the floor, going out the gate, etc. What you had was what you got. And Sally was very soft, Mantha is not soft nor hard, just very confident. My Laney, on the other hand always kept me guessing. The first time she got me going, we were showing in Novice B at the Yankee Specialty... I called her to front, she came at100 mph, halfway thru, she stopped and went to check out the other obedience ring next to us. Then she started back up at 100 mph and headed for the ring gate, but at the last minute, turned and came to front. Showed her in Open at the GRCA National in 1999. Sent her over the high jump, she jumped, took a few strides, turned around, sniffed the back of the jump, turned around again, retrieved the dumbbell and came back over the jump, dumbbell in mouth. She actually got her CD and CDX in three straight shows each. Onto Utility A, showing in the pouring rain... Sent her to the articles, ran past the articles to a puddle in the corner, splashed in the puddle, turned around, picked the correct article and brought it back... Ended up winning her class as there are frequently few entries in Utility A and people pulled due to the weather. I always called her my blonde border collie because weather was never a factor with her. And while I don't think she was dishonest in trying to change things up, she was more likely to put her spin on things than dogs likely Mantha and Sally.
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Another time in Utility A, our judge was Tibbie Chase who frequently wore skirts... Sent her to the articles, she ran to check out the skirt, then went back to the articles. She was a funny dog. Her pedigree was Colabaugh on top and her dam was from a Gaylan's line bitch sired by Expo...I loved my Laney. Mind you my goals were never big, just wanted to get a UD.

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In obedience I'm told she is honest. I believe it's because once I define the rules to the game and she understands them, she will try her best to play by those rules.
Unforchantly for Winter, I'm not very good at defining the rules for her. My footwork is a mess, I sometimes leave a shoulder back on turns...... a whole basketful of inconsistencies. When I have my act together I'm told we are quite good, but it is a flickering light.

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