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Sounds like a good evaluation. What are your next steps??

Does the behaviorist know anyone or have any suggestions?

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This sounds good, i hope he finds a great home, bless you,and this boy.

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This sounds good, i hope he finds a great home, bless you,and this boy.
Sounds like a good evaluation. Praying that Prince finds his forever home.

Also sending hugs and prayers to your mother.

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Praying for your Mom, Prince, you and your brother.
I'm praying that the behaviorist or your vet might know someone for Prince.
He is such a beautiful boy!

You or your brother should also put PRINCE on the Social Media Sights!

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just wanted to clear up a issue from the thread My sis made. I know when reading the #6 on the temper-est test it looked as if Prince was being very aggressive. When picking up prince that day, she explained each test. She also said that during test 6 she acts scared and worried when the stranger walks in the door. that is key to that test. Her reaction was that a stranger someone dangerous walking in. Reason for prince tensing up =)

Also found out that the Breeder that they got Prince from was a family that had to goldens that had puppy's. Not professional breeders from the convo i had with my mom.
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I'm really glad you got Prince to a behaviorist... but I do see a couple issues in the assessment that are possibly being overlooked.

1. The dog was obviously ill-at-ease throughout. I doubt the constant panting was due simply to being overweight unless he is massively massively obese. Dogs with a little extra pudge do stop panting.

2. He didn't show any protective tendencies over food or toys/rawhides. Apparently you guys have seen him protective over rawhides. The fact that he was not feeling "at home" in the environment, and therefore not feeling "ownership" over the items presented (or even much interest, in the behaviorist's own words) skews his behavior on these tests. If he were at home, comfortable, and with "his" items, would he have reacted the same? I have to assume that the answer, at least at sometimes, is no. Because you've already seen it.

3. Despite being uncomfortable in the environment and not seeming to stake any ownership over it, he still responded "protectively" to the stranger. I'm not sure that protective or territorial is the right term because there was nothing for him to protect and he had not claimed the environment as "his" territory. This wasn't his home. It wasn't his beloved owner/family standing behind him. This seems much more likely to be fear/anxiety... which is the cause of a great many dog bites (including, quite possibly, the two you've already seen with Prince). If Prince assumes "stranger danger," it's a problem... not something to post a smiley face about. (That's not an attack, just a call to see this as something more serious)

4. I know you don't want to hear this, but Prince is a dangerous dog. He had 2 serious bite incidents. I know part of you is thinking, "but only 2 incidents in 3 years isn't much," but it's the inconsistency of his behavior that can make him more dangerous, rather than less. If you have a dog that lashes out at unfamiliar people and/or dogs every time or protects his food/possessions every time... you're constantly on guard. You arrange his world in such a way as to keep him from being triggered and you never allow yourself to slip in that regard. When you have a dog, like Prince, who is okay most of the time but lashes out occasionally and unpredictably, he becomes a much harder dog to manage and you put the new owners in a situation where they may mistakenly give him just a little too much freedom because he's been so good for so long, and someone gets seriously injured... and Prince likely gets put down. That's tragic for everyone but especially for poor Prince.

Now, I'm not saying any of this to attack you or to imply that Prince is a "bad" dog who is not deserving of a second chance. It's only to point out some worries and perhaps some gaps in the temperament testing that could lead to problems down the road to rehoming him. I can't tell you the definite "right" answers, only what I would do if this dog were a part of my family. First, I would schedule a follow up appointment with a behaviorist to have him evaluated in his own home. It matters much more how he acts in his own environment than it does how he acts in an unfamiliar and unsettling one. Then I would take all that information from both assessments and get in touch with some of the rescues suggested in your sister's thread... the rescues that take on harder behavioral cases and have the resources/trainers to help Prince be all the golden he can be. I do not believe that this is a case where you guys should go it alone to screen homes for him. It's too risky for you. It's too risky for the new owners. And perhaps most importantly, it's too risky for Prince. This is not a situation that is going to be resolved by finding a new family on Craig's List. The type of people you need to help him don't look for dogs there. And as much as you love him and as dedicated as you are... you simply don't have the experience needed to properly screen the homes. I know it is discouraging that so many rescues have already said no. Most don't take on a dog with a bite history... but some do. And that's what you need to find. That's the only shot Prince really has.

I'm so sorry that your family has been through so much and that you are having to deal with giving up Prince on top of it all. Good luck.

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The closed thread included posts from a couple of GRF members who were interested in Prince and felt competent to provide the kind of home he needs. Perhaps it is worth following up with them? Remember that there were also offers to help with transporting him, if need be.

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Jersey's Mom made some good points. I did wonder why the behaviorist didn't evaluate him in his own home.

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3. Despite being uncomfortable in the environment and not seeming to stake any ownership over it, he still responded "protectively" to the stranger. I'm not sure that protective or territorial is the right term because there was nothing for him to protect and he had not claimed the environment as "his" territory. This wasn't his home. It wasn't his beloved owner/family standing behind him. This seems much more likely to be fear/anxiety... which is the cause of a great many dog bites (including, quite possibly, the two you've already seen with Prince). If Prince assumes "stranger danger," it's a problem... not something to post a smiley face about. (That's not an attack, just a call to see this as something more serious)
Is there anything Positive about the way Prince performed in the test you would like to point out? As for the test being at the behaviorist house, shes a professional. So I trust her judgement.

You also say that Prince has "fear/anxiety" and was out of his element. panting and what not. You may be correct. So if he has a higher chance of biting someone whens hes stressing or even has fear. Then wouldn't the test be better at a strangers house were both fear/anxiety were more present?

As for the stranger danger? The behaviorist was acting and sounding scared when the stranger walked in the door for the test. Personally I think many MANY dogs would react the same way. he stiffened up a bit and MAY of growled. Did not lung forward or go ballistic. Yet held his ground until the stranger was approached by the behaviorist and welcomed into the home. Prince was then calm when the chance of danger was gone.



and your other comment "not something to post a smiley face about. (That's not an attack, just a call to see this as something more serious)"
That was rude...
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I agree with Jersey's Mom.

I had a fear aggressive dog, and I went to two behaviorists - one came to my house and the other I went to his. Both came up with the same "diagnosis" fear aggression, but the one that was at my house, was able to get my dog to try to attack him, he got to see my dog react and what he reacted to. The behaviorist that I went to his house, did not see that part of my dog. I never thought that through before, because I ended up working with the one that came to my house, and all training was done at my house and in my neighborhood.

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