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Old 02-18-2011, 10:56 AM
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Size of Puppy vs. Adult

We will be picking out our puppy next weekend. We are the second pick out of six males (the total litter size is 10 pups). At this point (5 weeks old), some of the males are noticeably larger than others, although all are healthy and developing normally. Although temperament is our foremost concern, everything else being equal, we'd prefer the dog to be on the smaller side when full grown. Is there any correlation between a pup's size at 6 weeks (when we will pick him out) and his size at adulthood? Or is it impossible to predict a pup's ultimate size when he is six weeks old?
(FYI, the mom is 55-60 pounds, while dad is 80-85, so I anticipate there may be a significant variance in size among littermates, depending of who inherited what genes.)
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:57 AM
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I have no clue, but either way, CONGRATS on the new puppy, which ever you may choose
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:13 AM
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Golden males are supposed to be no bigger than 24" at the shoulder and 65-75 in weight.

If the golden is 85lbs, that is generally a metabolism (thyroid problems), diet (owner feeding too much food), and exercise (owner not walking or working the dog every day) issue. <- I kinda think it's mostly the dog getting too much food and not enough exercise.

My golden is a bigger boned golden and I tend to think his healthy weight is 76-78lbs. But he is barely 24 inches (he's closer to 23.5, actually). He's 85lbs right now - my fault and I'm working on fixing that.

His dad was about the same height and his mom was a little thing.

I really doubt you are going to find a full grown male golden shorter than 23 inches. And as I said, weight is what is healthy for that golden. I would not get that lower than 65lbs with an adult male or above 78lbs.

@puppy size - I wouldn't pay any attention to that. Some puppies are probably bigger than others if they get more food than the others. It all evens out as they grow up.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:20 AM
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I'm sure this has been discussed before, but this brings up a good topic. How do you pick a puppy? I'm pretty sure that our breeder will pick for us, but we have the option of "ranking" the puppy that we want when we visit for the puppy party. What exactly am I looking for? I have an older golden at home and two kids (ages 5 and 9). How do I know which puppy is right for us?
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:39 AM
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I'm sure this has been discussed before, but this brings up a good topic. How do you pick a puppy? I'm pretty sure that our breeder will pick for us, but we have the option of "ranking" the puppy that we want when we visit for the puppy party. What exactly am I looking for? I have an older golden at home and two kids (ages 5 and 9). How do I know which puppy is right for us?
If your breeder is going to pick for you, I'd make sure your breeder knows what kind of dog you want to have in the long run or what kind of activities you are hoping to do with the dog.

I didn't have first pick and it didn't really matter to me, but I did let the breeder know I wanted a dog for competition obedience. The breeder steered me towards a particular litter for that reason and in the end I had a puppy who was very biddable and attentive and outgoing. Not that it mattered, because all of the puppies in that litter had those same traits.

I would guess if I had first pick, I'd sit down and pick a social, curious, and highly responsive puppy. With Jacks when I brought him home I could tap on the floor and he'd come running in to check out my hand. He was also the puppy who was happily greeting everyone at the breeders and trying to get everything into his mouth to carry around and play with.

The curiosity and responsive traits as well as his social nature made him ideal for obedience training as well as regular household and border training.

Our Danny was slightly different when we picked him - he was more independant and off on his own little puppy business. He wasn't so interested in other people as he was into checking out the visiting room we were in and playing with his littermate who was brought in with him. He was a great dog, but a little more difficult to train. He was more flighty.
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Sadie was about 8-9 pounds when we got her. Now she stays around 55lbs.

Congrats on your pup!

Who's your breeder?
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Thanks everyone. We are getting our pup from Cromwell Goldens, as that is where we got our first one, who is now 18 months old and wonderful. We are concerned #1 with temperament, as Maevis is very calm and gentle and we want her to have a "brother" that fits with her. Maevis is also on the smaller side (about 60 lbs.). In the event that we have a choice between two laid-back pups, one of whom is appreciably larger than the other, we wondered if picking the smaller one may be an indication that the pup will grow to be a smaller adult (i.e. he'll take after his mom more than his dad).
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My golden's breeder picks for everyone. She does take into consideration what sex and so on but in the end it's her choice, after the seven week temperament test and several different opinions on each puppy.

It's always been interesting if I'm over there puppysitting while new parents are also there. They always have their 'pick' and so on and it's based often on things like the puppy who doesn't bark much, or barks a lot, or whatever when they are there. Often the next hour it's a different story as to who is doing what!

My advice is to do up a 'wish list' of what the ideal golden is to you - do you want the busy dog who wants to go play flyball and agility with you, or the couch warmer who is happy to snuggle up? Are you going to be 100% consistant with training and never break the rules or fall prey to cute puppy eyes and give in? If you have kids are you a strict parent with schedules or is it whatever gets them out the door at the last minute?

That kind of information will help the breeder figure out who is best suited to your home - after all they are there more to see things!
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I doubt (but don't know) that you are going to estimate the size. From my understanding too, larger litters will be less big at certain ages than smaller litters...even though at adult age they will ultimately reach the same general size.
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I think that genetics more than weight as puppy determine adult size. Jaro was 10 1/2 lbs (the smallest in the litter) at 9 1/2 weeks when we got him. Until about 8 months he was always among the smallest of the April 2010 puppies. Now he is right in the middle at 60 lbs. The smaller puppies may be more laid back in a large litter where there is jostling for mamma's milk. But I think given good health it will be genetics in the end so look to mom and dad. We also picked the smaller, not as excitable puppy because we wanted a smaller dog--wanted a female for that reason but not available.
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