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Question Reputation of "Cynazar Goldens" in NJ?

I'm looking for a reputable breeder and hadn't seen anything on the forums yet discussing cynazar.

this is their website:
http://www.cynazargoldens.com/index.html

I was wondering if anyone has bought a golden from them or heard anything about their dogs?
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Paypal right on the website huge red flag, would run right away

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I started looking through some of the clearances on the girl's page. The only dog with a Cardiac Clearance actually listed is "Arwen." Though for the most part hips and elbows appear exactly how they list them, though with a few exceptions: Snowhite doesn't have a registered name to check (and her sire isn't listed... I didn't check the dam since she is from out of the country), neither does Shaina. Missi isn't listed in OFA at all and they note her as "X-ray clear," whatever that means. Couldn't check any of the CERF clearances because the data base is glitching on me, and don't have the time right now to look into the males.

Basically, I'd have a number of questions for them... not the least of which is whether they can provide proof of the cardiac clearances as they're not listed on OFA (though that's not 100% necessary, it's more important that it is done by a Board Certified Cardiologist... and the 1 cardiac clearance listed indicates just that, but there should be one for each dog obviously). Hopefully someone else can jump in and check up on the boys as it's past my bedtime... and maybe the CERF site will be back up and running tomorrow.

There also isn't much indication of how many litters they tend to have at a time (though admittedly I didn't search through the site that much). I agree with Aces that the Paypal on their site is a HUGE turnoff for me and would likely be enough to make me discount them... but at the very least it's something I would ask them about.

Oh, just one other note... I couldn't find any Buyer's Contract online. I don't necessarily expect that everyone should post theirs online (in fact, most small hobby breeders don't as their websites tend to be very underdeveloped) but it's something I'd want to examine closely to help determine an opinion of a breeder. So basically I'm not much help... but mostly I'm left with a number of questions from the site. My best advice is to look through GRF's Puppy Buyer Fact Checker ( http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...ad.php?t=22440 (A Puppy Buyer's Fact Checker) ) and interview them thoroughly.

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There is no way (personally) I would buy a puppy from this breeder, although I am glad they do seem to try for most clearances. It will be important to see all four(eyes, heart, hips, elbows) for both parents, bc the recorded ones at OFA are spotty. Some have wonderful hips, but then no cardiac listed etc. You'd have to track down any omitted clearance and make sure it exists. They don't seem to be the worst choice but also far from the best choice. The British/English creme rhetoric turns me off for reasons often discussed on the forum. If they are "british -type" or imported, do they come from an excellent, reputable European breeder? This is too often a cheap-shot marketing ploy. The lack of any performance, training, obedience, citizenship, or conformation titles bothers me bc it tells me they don't spend time with their dogs and their peers the way I want my breeder to. For 1,500 you could do much better. I would keep looking and researching.

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I never heard of them and I live in Central Jersey!

Just make sure you do your homework with clearances. If you're really interested, visit them and go with your gut.
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Hello,
My name is Jenne Black and I represent Cynazar Goldens. May I ask, if everyone is so curious about our website and our dogs, why not email or call me and ask? I always get back to my emails and I am a phone call away. In fact, while searching the web, this one string of posts is the ONLY negative information that I can find against us- which I find quite funny that not one of the people who posted about us has ever spoke with us or has owned a Cynazar puppy before. How can you judge a breeder just by the layout of their website? It is important to speak with people who have actually dealt with us in order to get a better idea about who we are and what our dogs are like.

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I can put you in contact with families who own a Cynazar Golden. In fact, many of our puppy owners choose to stay connected with eachother through our exclusive Facebook group, where they can share photos, comments, and brags about their Goldens. I would imagine that a breeder with something to hide would never put his or her clients in direct communication with eachother. Our reputation speaks for itself when it comes to the quality of puppies that we breed.

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I understand that the CynazarGoldens website may have been a bit rudimentary back in 2008, but I can personally assure you that it is updated and well-written now. May I ask what you think of my website now? I put my heart and soul into making it better and more informative every day. I would love to hear some feedback.

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I can assure you that our dogs' hearts are cleared by a board-certified cardiologist. Please feel free to stop by any time and take a look at the original certificates. We use the term "X-Ray Clear" when we take a dog under two years of age for x-rays (a.k.a. sneak and peeks) and their hips look nice. We prefer to take the extra step and make sure that our future breeding dogs' hips are sound. We do not breed until our dogs pass their OFA's for hips and elbows (at two years of age), and of course their cardio and CERF. I wasn't aware that not having our contract posted online was a sign that we are in any way unprofessional or unethical? Feel free to interview me at any time and decide for yourself whether or not I am qualified to be a part of Cynazar Goldens!

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You are entitled to your opinion, but I am sure that if you actually came and spent time with our dogs, you would feel quite differently. We are very discerning with the quality we breed. You are welcome to view the pedigrees of our European Imported males and females on the website, as I have them posted there for all to see. Please realize that it isn't the color we're after in the "English Cream" Goldens we have chosen to breed- it is the health, temperament, and conformation. All shades of the Golden Retriever are beautiful in their own way. I would like to let you know that our family spends all of our time with our dogs. No, I personally have not been able to get out in the agility ring, although I would love to! I believe that I would make a wonderful professional trainer with all the experience I have training our own dogs. Many of our Cynazar puppies have been and are being trained as Service and Therapy dogs, as well as being trained for agility and obedience. Have you heard of ADAI (Assistance Dogs for America, Inc.) and Can Do Canines? I can put you in contact with several references that can verify this if you would like.

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I hope you do not feel the same way about my site now?

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I was born and grew up here in Central Jersey, as did my parents. The majority of our puppy owners live right here in Central Jersey as well. Maybe we just haven't bumped into eachother? (It's not like we advertise our puppies in the local papers :P)

Please feel free to contact me about anything!
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Lol I know, but this thread has been in the back of my mind for a while and I figured that I should put my two cents into it, since it is about "me".
Anyone who googles "Cynazar Goldens" will find this, so it's better late than never as far as a reply.
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This is just feedback from a devoted pet owner as I do not breed any dogs.

I am really glad to hear all your breeding dogs have all four clearances- that's wonderful.

I see you had a Mulder puppy, and I'm curious as to why not show/ compete in obedience or out in the field? Ideally, a breeder is trying to contribute to/improve on the overall health and standard for a loved breed, and the processes of getting out there with peers helps measure if the dogs one is breeding are falling short of previous generations or improving. I think showing that your breeding dogs are really capable in mind and body when measured against peers is helpful for a buyer.

For me, I would love to see some credentials like CGC, TDI, CD, JH, SH, Can CH, Am CH at the minimum to know that the breeders are aware of where their breeding program's dogs are relating to their peers.

How many puppies/teenagers/ older dogs a year do you, in your opinion, think a responsible breeder can raise & train & sell in an ideal, loving way? It seems like there are 20-30 dogs on your property.

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