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How about if we make a sticky under the "choosing a breeder" area and title it "For those looking for an 'English cream'"? Then post helpful information for those people looking for a 'white' golden retriever.
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I have to agree that this whole fad of the "creme" color is a little annoying. I have found there to be quite a bit to like about the goldens in Europe. In fact my best bird dog here is primarily from lines developed recently overseas. But that is the extent to which I will differentiate her. A golden retriever is a golden retriever no matter what you decided to call them. Getting one based on color, is the last reason you should have for getting this breed.
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I have to agree that this whole fad of the "creme" color is a little annoying. I have found there to be quite a bit to like about the goldens in Europe. In fact my best bird dog here is primarily from lines developed recently overseas. But that is the extent to which I will differentiate her. A golden retriever is a golden retriever no matter what you decided to call them. Getting one based on color, is the last reason you should have for getting this breed.

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Thank you to everyone who replied to my post regarding getting an "english cream" and who offered their opinions of the kennel I had indicated. I would also like to thank you for all of your constructive criticism of my usage of "english cream" when referring to the english golden retriever. The kennel was recommended to me by a non-golden breeder and that was the term she used which I then carried forward (mistakenly). Frankly, I couldn't care less if the dog was bright orange, I was steered in the direction of that kennel because of positive comments regarding the health of their dogs. I purchased my goldens because I was immediately smitten by them (in other words, uninformed) and I have had the misery of knowing how liver cancer (metastisizing to the lungs), hip dysplasia and siezures affects the breed. Very painful lessons. I posted here to get real advice and after reading the forum for an entire day I have learned a fair amount. Our family is simply looking for a companion that was bred by someone who genuinely cares about the breed and tries very hard to produce healthy, well-tempered dogs.
I'm new to the website and I will keep your advice in mind when posting in the future. We are looking forward to following up on the breeders names that we were given!
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I'm seriously bothered by the number of people who take such a stern, automatically negative, stance to anyone talking about "English Creme" goldens. The primary reaction is "well they better not say rare english creme". It's an adjective, not a sales point or predefined breeding practice. Yes, some people do describe their goldens as English Creme, because that best fits their overall appearance, it's a color! Other people call their Goldens "RED", but i've yet to hear anyone complain about this classification??? There are definitely people who use this terminology to their financial benefit, but that aside, it is just a color characteristic/description, right? People also freak out when Goldens are described as being "champagne" or "platinum"...again, just colors. There's nothing inherent about these adjectives that suggest "rare...get em while they last!"

It was the description, "English Creme/Platnim Blond", that drew me to my goldens...because that's what they are.

It seems like you can say light, dark, white, red, copper, or anything else to describe your golden, but as soon as you as english creme or platinum you're obviously identifying yourself as someone who has been scammed or is about to be scammed.

I hate these non stop disputes on here about english vs american goldens, but I think this is the only time I've actually weighed in. If it's a responsible breeder and a buyer who's done their homework then no need to cause a huge ruckus over it!

I know nothing about the specific breeder mentioned in the OP, but don't let all the critics steer you away just because they're "English Creme".
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Far from an expert here. But I did do a lot of research before getting Shiloh. Never once did I find Kyon Kennels advertising rare English Goldens , British Goldens or even cream goldens.
I also think the OP was sincere and not trying to "stir things up" Just thought he/she might be interested in some opinions from people who have had dealings with them.........
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Getting one based on color, is the last reason you should have for getting this breed.
While not high on the list of priorities for a majority of people I certainly understand the appeal to the lighter goldens. IMO "English" Goldens have an air of calmness and majesty about them. Due to breeding - yes, not color. But there's something about a light Golden that is captivating to me. I picked my first Golden rescue because he had the most Golden colored eyes I've ever seen - and they looked right into my soul. So color will play in the choice - otherwise everybody would drive a black Vovlo, or a red Ford. For non-breeders, non-hunters, and non-show people, their expectation of what they want for a furkid is a very important to them.
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I'm seriously bothered by the number of people who take such a stern, automatically negative, stance to anyone talking about "English Creme" goldens. The primary reaction is "well they better not say rare english creme". It's an adjective, not a sales point or predefined breeding practice. Yes, some people do describe their goldens as English Creme, because that best fits their overall appearance, it's a color! Other people call their Goldens "RED", but i've yet to hear anyone complain about this classification??? There are definitely people who use this terminology to their financial benefit, but that aside, it is just a color characteristic/description, right? People also freak out when Goldens are described as being "champagne" or "platinum"...again, just colors. There's nothing inherent about these adjectives that suggest "rare...get em while they last!"

It was the description, "English Creme/Platnim Blond", that drew me to my goldens...because that's what they are.

It seems like you can say light, dark, white, red, copper, or anything else to describe your golden, but as soon as you as english creme or platinum you're obviously identifying yourself as someone who has been scammed or is about to be scammed.

I hate these non stop disputes on here about english vs american goldens, but I think this is the only time I've actually weighed in. If it's a responsible breeder and a buyer who's done their homework then no need to cause a huge ruckus over it!

I know nothing about the specific breeder mentioned in the OP, but don't let all the critics steer you away just because they're "English Creme".


They are not recognized colors. Light gold, gold, and dark gold are. (If "platinum" or "champagne" dogs still have gold in them, they are registered as "light gold". And yes, using the terms that you describe is a well known marketing technique that is most often utilized by those who in fact charge more and attempt to represent these dogs are somehow better, more valuable, and even "rare". That is where the dispute is valid. And do note that when "debating" this issue, we always state that health clearances, and temperament, come first and should always be considered no matter the color.

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