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Has anyone heard of or purchased their puppy from Alpine White Golden Retrievers in Red Bluff, CA? Golden Retriever Puppies ca

I've read on this website to avoid any breeder claiming they specialize in a specific type or color or english cream. From what I can tell they do not, I've asked them what is behind the name (hope to hear back soon, just inquired today). We're hoping to find a reputable english cream breeder within 5-6 hours of Tahoe. Thank you.
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There is no such thing as a white Golden.

Here's a good place to start your search:

http://www.englishgoldens.net/breeders.htm

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Has anyone heard of or purchased their puppy from Alpine White Golden Retrievers in Red Bluff, CA? Golden Retriever Puppies ca

I've read on this website to avoid any breeder claiming they specialize in a specific type or color or english cream. From what I can tell they do not, I've asked them what is behind the name (hope to hear back soon, just inquired today).....
Did you actually read the page you linked for us? The opening lines make reference to "white" and "English creme" - English Cream and American Golden Retrievers White Goldens ... "SPECIALIZING IN EXQUISITE ENGLISH CREAMS!" ....We have large facilities such as large runs and pens to contain our lovable dogs when they are not in the house with us. ....Puppies selling fast......Before using PayPal to make a deposit, you must call or email to verify puppy availability Welcome to Alpine White Golden Retrievers!

... We specialize in European type English cream Golden Retriever puppies"

This is a puppy farm using all kinds of marketing ploys to sell their puppies as a business. Do a search of our forum for this breeder (search feature is at the top of the page - they are well known) They make this claim: "All of our breeding dogs are OFA hip, heart, and CERF eye certified." But I just went to OFA to search for the dam of the current litter offered and what do you know, No OFA listing. You can search OFA and K9data for "Alpine White" owned by these people and find dogs bred by these people without proper clearances.

Reputable breeders do not sell puppies based on the color of the coat. You are going to have to expand your search area and fly to another area of the country or to Canada to find a light colored dog from a really good breeder who does clearances.

Here are some links on previous threads you may find informative:

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...eeders-ny.html (Help with English Cream breeders in NY)

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...-nc-sc-va.html (English Golden Puppy Breeders - NC/SC/VA)

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...d-goldens.html (Icewind Goldens)


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Thanks nolefan for your input and help. To answer your question, yes I did review the website and hence why I had questions and wanted additional opinion on whether I should be concerned about certain things (PayPal, pens, the "white" and "alpine" claims). Not everyone here is as experienced in searching for a breeder as others so the help is appreciated.

In an email response I was told the parents of the current litter (Chaika and Garik) have their clearances and we'd receive those in the "puppy pack" and she has originals for us to see if we wish. The fact that they're not on the website and I cannot see anything on OFA or k9data halted me for obvious reasons (again, wanted to confirm I was correct). The "alpine" reference has nothing to do with the coat color according to the breeder, but she chose the name based on where she grew up.

Sure the top english cream breeders may be in other parts of the country but I cannot imagine there are NO respectable breeders in northern CA (or even SF/LA areas).

Again, I appreciate your help. This is our first time searching for a breeder.
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Keep looking- and don't fall for the 'we will give you copies in the puppy packs' story- because by then you will be invested heart and pocketbook- and will probably not give the packs more than a cursory look.

Most every litter of Goldens has light colored puppies in it along with a darker one or two. Color is just cosmetic, you want the bones below the coat to be correct and the dog to have a predictable temperament (many of these type breeders unfortunately import pregnant bitches from eastern Euro countries) and whose owners really KNOW the girls and what will improve them. None of the hype (less cancer, calmer temperament, etc) are true and some are actually the opposite of the truth.
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Thanks Prism Goldens, we will keep looking! We've also spoken with Classic Heritage and West Coast Cream Goldens. We visited Classic Heritage and a few things concerned me: 1. the amount of dogs they breed and 2. the lack of communication post puppy pick-up that several others on this forum had with the breeder. Classic Heritage is also relatively expensive ($3,500) but to be honest if we felt comfortable with the breeder and all checked out I would still be willing to pay that (rather than spending the money to fly elsewhere).

Thanks for all your help!
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Sure the top english cream breeders may be in other parts of the country but I cannot imagine there are NO respectable breeders in northern CA (or even SF/LA areas).

Again, I appreciate your help. This is our first time searching for a breeder.
The problem with extreme color breeders is they are almost always in it for the money. They don't compete in any competitive venues, so claiming health is important is a marketing ploy and not an essential.

If you choose to go this route and continue to search by the marketing ploy term "English Cream" you will find less than reputable breeders. You will pay more for color and usually get much less in the form of health certifications. Many times the prices asked by color breeders are 2-4 times what you should expect to pay based on cakes offered. It is kind of like walking on to a car lot and saying I want a blue sedan and the deelwr saying "Well I have a used blue Kia or a new grey Lexus. They are the same price". Sure both a sedans and fulfill the same basic function but the difference should be reflected in a price difference.

Color marketing breeders with spotty health certifications are exactly what you are finding here. Classic Heritage is not likely to have full certifications. As an example their current stud dog only has a heart certification on OFA. West Cost has missing or deficient heart certifications and missing or expired eye certifications. At the astronomical prices they ask, I would experience full and easily verifiable health certifications.

At $2000-2500 you can get a puppy from parents with fully verifiable complete health certifications, plus generations of health certifications behind them and competitive accomplishments that show the parents are well made, structurally correct and/or biddable if you don't make pale color you main priority. .

Here are some resources in how to verify health certification claims.
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Please take the advice of the folks on this board. They have a wealth of information to share. I've had goldens all my life, but never had to find a reputable breeder for myself, as my parents always took care of that. When it was time to find a breeder on my own, I took the advice of the amazing posters on this board, and couldn't be happier with the puppy I found with their help. Here is the thread I started last year. Post #10 has a great list to help start your search. Don't get caught up on color. Great dogs come in all shades. Good luck!

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...-breeders.html (Northern California Breeders)
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Thanks nolefan for your input and help. To answer your question, yes I did review the website and hence why I had questions and wanted additional opinion on whether I should be concerned about certain things (PayPal, pens, the "white" and "alpine" claims). Not everyone here is as experienced in searching for a breeder as others so the help is appreciated. .....

Sure the top english cream breeders may be in other parts of the country but I cannot imagine there are NO respectable breeders in northern CA (or even SF/LA areas).

Again, I appreciate your help. This is our first time searching for a breeder.
I apologize for coming across in such an impatient manner. We have so much information on this website regarding the pitfalls of choosing a breeder based solely on color of the dog that I do get a little sideways sometimes when someone says they understand that a breeder shouldn't be placing a lot of emphasis on "cream" color marketing but then appears not to be applying it in real time. The Alpine folks are just classic violators. It's frustrating.

Did you have a chance to read through the links I attached to the bottom of my post? The explanations given in them are pretty thorough. By placing color at the top of your list of requirements for a breeder you're setting a very strong filter on your search.

Truly reputable people compete in some way with their dogs. They just do, they're not sitting at home on their acreage selling over priced white puppies to unsuspecting people. They aren't farming puppies like livestock. It's very easy to say that a dog has a good temperament if the dog isn't ever leaving the house. Dogs that are anxious or easily upset can be ok at home and then be completely different out in the world. That doesn't translate well to a pet that you'd like to take to kid's soccer games, the lake to visit friends on the weekend, Saturday morning walks to get coffee etc. You want your puppy to be from a breeder who does things with their dogs to prove that they have stable temperaments.

Because so many people are simply raising light colored Goldens to sell for profit, it is very difficult to find hobby breeders. You may very well find a reputable breeder in your region who competes in obedience or field work with light colored Goldens but they are very hard to find. Here is a link to a breeder website that would be more in line with what you are looking for: https://www.kernowgoldens.com/about-us

Notice there is no mention of Paypal, 'world champion bloodlines", Cream or white or high tech, top notch "facilities" or kennels, no high pressure sales terms like "puppies selling fast" etc.. The breeder uses most of the space on the site talking about what activities she competes in with her dogs.

Here is a link to a long time breeder where you can see that the breeder favors lighter colored dogs but you can see that the emphasis is more on the form and function of the dog rather than the color: Golden Retriever Puppies | Ontario | Kyon Kennels Again, lots of talk about competing with their dogs.

Here's a place to check where you'll find attention placed on the whole dog, rather than just the color of the coat: CAPTAIN ? Chuckanut Retrievers Ask them for a referral if they don't have a litter planned soon. You can find heavier boned dogs with lighter colored coats, it just takes more research.


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Thank you all very much for your help and I apologize for coming off uneducated about selecting a breeder that focuses solely on color. The truth is we love goldens off all shades but really enjoyed the blockier heads/bigger bones. Taking the advice of everyone here we're now simply looking for a breeder in the NorCal or PacNW area. If they happen to have heavier boned dogs with lighter colors all the better but we won't let that determine our search.

nolefan I plan to call Chuckanut soon to introduce myself and begin a conversation with them. Thanks for pointing out the website differences. Makes complete sense.

I've emailed some reps from the NorCal GR club to get their thoughts on any referrals in the area.
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