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what breeder/litter should I go for?

I have a dilemma that I need some advice. I started looking for a puppy late last year. At the time I got on a waiting list for a breeder two hours away from me. That breeder was recommended on the forum. At the time I was hoping for a puppy by early June. As of last week, the female has yet to come into season. I am currently 4th or 5th on the wait list for a male. The planned breeding is with a dog who is a grand champion with over 146 points and the female is a champion BISS. At the time I got on the wait list, my understanding was that I was 8th or 9th on the waiting list and that there might not be a puppy in the spring litter, so I kept looking. I now have an opportunity to get a puppy that would be ready in just a few weeks. The father of this litter is a champion, but the mother is not. This is a very reputable breeder as well. Both litters have all their clearances from reputable breeders. The puppy that I could get in two weeks is quite a bit more expensive than the one that hasn't even been bred yet. I have seen the potential father for the unbred litter, and I thought he was absolutely beautiful. I have only seen pictures of the parents of the existing litter, but they are equally beautiful. Getting a puppy in two weeks would be more expensive, but a sure thing, and actually a littler earlier than I thought I would get one. If I wait, the puppy would be from grand champion and champion parents, but the litter would have to have 5 males before I would even be sure of getting one. I don't know what to do. Would you wait for the original wait list for a puppy that hasn't even been conceived, but will have maybe a more winnig pedigree and hope that there are enough males that I get a puppy, or would you get the puppy I could pick up in two weeks, that is more expensive, and still has a champion parent. I've purposely not posted the breeders or litters because I don't know if they are on this forum. When I looked on k9 data they both share a lot of the same bloodlines when I look at the COI info.


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If this was a choice I had to make, I think it would depend on what I was looking for. Are you looking for a show prospect? Then the champion lines might be the better bet. Are you planning on doing agility or other dog sports? Which breeder has any form in those fields? Are you wanting a dog whose principal purpose is to be a family dog? Then you'd be better off checking the parents in person to see what their personality is like and, unless you wanted to boast a little about your boy's lineage, the champion and grand champion titles would be less important.
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A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Or in your case, a puppy!
Who knows what tomorrow will bring... get the puppy ready in 2 weeks. That's what I would do


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All puppies are cute but they don't stay puppies long. Maybe I'm picky but had a look I was wanting, a certain personality and structure. Clearances had to be in place but also wanted to look at pictures of the bloodlines involved as far back as I could find them, age when they passed, any history of problems, accomplishments. When I found what I was looking for I was willing and expecting to wait. I was already emotionally invested by this point :-) I didn't just want a puppy, I wanted all that made this pup the way it was.
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Unless you are wanting the dog for a specific competitive venue, and the litter yet to be bred offers a significant advantage in that arena, I would 100% go for the puppy that is available to you now. 5th in line for a boy of a litter not even bred yet is pretty dicey.

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Thanks for all the comments. I am not wanting to show my dog. I have been trying to make sure I get a good quality dog. I want to do obedience and maybe agility. I will ask some more questions about the current litter, but I know the unbred litter's lineage includes therapy dogs, some search and rescue, and obedience. I think I saw in the current litter some titles at the end of the names indicating agility and obedience as well. I have confirmed that both are more conformation breeders vs sport/hunt breeders. I have read enough on this forum to know that I want the more conformation type of dog. The current litter is about 5 hours away, so I probably wont be able to go visit and check out the parents before the puppies would be ready to come home, so it sounds like I need to talk to that breeder a lot more about her dogs to get a feel for their personalities. Thanks for the comments so far. I think I am leaning the direction of the current litter. One other complicating factor with that puppy, though, is that I have a smaller dog who will be having knee surgery the week before this puppy is ready to arrive, and I want to make sure it is healed and ready for a BIG brother....I know I will have to keep them separated for awhile so maybe that isn't a big deal. At the same time, though, I kind of feel invested in the first breeder and litter, like Puddles said in her note... good things come to those who wait. Decisions...Decisions...
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Unless you are wanting the dog for a specific competitive venue, and the litter yet to be bred offers a significant advantage in that arena, I would 100% go for the puppy that is available to you now. 5th in line for a boy of a litter not even bred yet is pretty dicey.
What Anney said.

Fifth boy is playing long odds. If you go for the unbred litter, it's better than 50% odds you won't get a puppy.

I guarantee, whatever puppy you bring home, you will be hopelessly in love with 24 hours later. Since you're looking for a pet, after satisfying yourself as to genetic health I wouldn't care what the pedigree was, so long as it is a well-bred litter. The difference between Grand Champion and no title at all often takes a highly trained eye, and most people cannot tell the difference. You can't tell the difference.

If you want an actual puppy as opposed to a lottery ticket, go for the current litter. As captainbeer says, a bird in the hand...
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I would absolutely take the puppy that is available now. If you were first or second in line for a male in the other litter, it might be worth taking the risk and waiting, but fifth? The odds are definitely against you. And there's always a chance that the breeding won't be successful at all. When I was looking for a pup, this happened twice.

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Would this be your first obedience/agility dog? If so, it'll be your "training wheel" dog, so, you'll want a biddable dog that likes to work. However, for agility, you'll want a dog on the smaller/lighter side, if possible, and like obedience, a biddable dog that likes to work. You don't need a dog that "needs" to work at this point, just one that likes to. As a novice, it's good to get a dog that will stay in the game even when you are floundering (speaking from recent experience here). The good thing about Goldens is that if they are bred right, even without titles in their lineage, they are trainable.

All things being equal (health, great temperaments, reputable breeders, etc.) in your situation I'd go with the sure thing. My only concern would be for the smaller dog getting over surgery. If you are up for it, that's great, but if it would cause less stress on the dog that is healing (emotional stress, not just physical), it might be better to wait.
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For a pet puppy, I would also go with the "sure thing," assuming the existing litter/breeder is still everything you are looking for health/clearance and style wise. Small litters and breedings that do not take are not uncommon. Especially if you only want a male. Happened to me a few times during my puppy search!

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