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Are Health Clearances Really that Expensive?

Hey Everyone!

This is my first post. I've been reading through the forum for the past week. There is such a wealth of knowledge here, I'd really appreciate your insight on selecting a breeder.

We know a "family breeder" who is a personal friend. They're planning on having a litter of goldens soon and we started asking some basic questions. Thanks to reading the information on this site, we specifically requested to see the health clearance information.

They replied that they don't bother with clearances since they're not a professional breeder and it's too expensive.

Is it really that expensive to obtain clearances? This sounds like a cop-out to me...but I couldn't find the information on the costs.
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They're not that expensive. You can complete them for less than $500 around here. So definitely a cop out. Sounds like they are a "professional breeder" if they're in it for money. I'm sure the purchase price of just 1 puppy would more than cover the price of clearances.



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My girl is just a pet and will never be bred but will be doing clearances and I'm a senior living on a small, fixed income. I can't imagine selling puppies without doing clearances on the parents. It would tear me up if any family had to deal with hip or elbow dysplasia because of me. I look at it as my responsibility to provide the best possible chance for a happy, healthy pup so the families can enjoy a long and healthy life together. But then, I'm not sure I could ever let the pups go... a very good reason for me NOT to breed.

Getting clearances is no guarantee but if you have decades of dogs in their pedigree with them, well you are increasing the chances of getting a dog free from heredity problems. Putting out puppies just because you can is just not a practice I would support, this is just my opinion.
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Depending on where you are, they could be less than $300 for all of them on up to way more- but whether a breeder or not, if they breed a litter they ARE breeding and doing it less than responsibly is irresponsible.

If you list your state, city, we can look up the nearest ophthalmologist and cardiologist for you- and depending on where you are, may know of a good OFA vet to do hips/elbows. Figuring they'll sell their puppies for over $1000, it'd cost them one puppy's price to do both dogs and then they can feel like they've covered their health bases. If they find that one of them does not pass something, well, they shouldn't breed them anyway and finding out beforehand will save all the humans and puppies involved lots of heartache and possibly pain. And if one of their two dogs has dysplasia or an eye or heart disease, it'd be a good thing for their beloved pet to know that on the front end so that they can fix or treat whatever it is.
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Thank you for your replies! This is what I suspected.

I don't really understand why they wouldn't get clearances either - especially with a breed that has such a high incidence rate of dysplasia. It makes me wonder if they're worried some of the tests might come back with bad news. Of course, that makes it even worse if they suspect it and won't get the tests.

They offered that we could speak with owners of puppies from previous litters, but that's not really the same thing. Plus, this will be a new sire and dam so the genetic profile is different anyway.

We're running in the other direction.
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Here's a link to another thread you might be interested in. The whole thread, plus the Post about 5 down by k9Design is a great explanation of why you want many generations of clearances behind your puppy. http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...learances.html (The Importance of Proper Clearances)

It's simply not worth the risk to buy a puppy without them. What a shame your friends won't see the light. Congratulations on doing your homework.


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Clearances can be very expensive depending upon where you are in the country.

Around here it will set you back about $1100.00 if you undertake the full panel available today (eyes, heart, elbows, hips, and DNA screening).

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Cost is a cop out.

Our club holds a clinic twice a year, and we offer everything except DNA testing.
Eyes: $39 + $7.50 OFA clinic rate = $46.50 annually
Heart (auscultation): $57 + $7.50 OFA clinic rate = $64.50 (once)
(Echo: $195, but I paid $150/each for 2 at the National Specialty last year)
Hips + Elbows: $180, no anesthetic, and Dr Bouillat does a very good job. + OFA fee $40 = $220.

So hips, elbows, and heart (ausc) are less than $300. ONCE. Even if you did the echo at our clinic, it is $415, and then less than $50/year.

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You said earlier something about previous litters - the emphasis here is on the final s. Good heavens - how many puppies have gone to new owners with no health clearances? How would you ever know what the likelihood of dysplasia of some sort is?
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It's pretty expensive here.

Hips and elbows: $300 for xrays, + $40 for OFA = $340.
Heart: auscultation and echo $300 + $12 for OFA = $312
Eyes: exam by ophthalmologist $55 + $12 initial OFA = $67 for the first year. ($55 + $8 = $63 each additional year)

Total at 24 mos. = $340 + $312 + $67 + $63 = $782.00.

But we also do hip and elbow prelims ($300 xrays + $60 OFA = $360)

...and thyroid ($75 vet + $15 OFA = $90)

...and genetic testing @ ~$300 depending on sales and discounts.

So we end up spending over $1,500 for each dog by the time the dog is 24 mos. old, and that's if there are no problems. It goes up if you need retesting.

And then, of course, it's another $63 per year, per dog, for eyes for the rest of the dog's life.
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