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Family breeder (budget ~$1000) in the NJ, NY, PA area?

after looking at local reputable breeders such as Kalm Seas, Penny Lane and Harborview i have realized these are very costly dogs with a long waitlist.

as i continued my search, i have found a few local to me family breeders that are within my budget but don't have the "cache" of the bigger breeders.

places i am looking:

Austin Wanner

Maureen Quinlan

Marian Hiemstra (Maplemoon Kennel)


any thoughts on this approach? this will be my first dog so i obviously want to find the best dog i can.

any others to recommend?
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I'm no expert but getting a golden without proper clearances might save you some money on the front end of ownership but certainly is a risky choice in the long run.

Search the forum and read how many people have puppies with elbow or hip dysplasia and how expensive the surgery is to correct as well as all the pain meds required to live with this problem. The breed also has many issues with eyes and heart problems. I understand budget restrictions but this is a really big risk to take to save money on the purchase price.

Maybe someone else on the forum has better advice for you. Maybe get insurance quickly?
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I'm no expert but getting a golden without proper clearances might save you some money on the front end of ownership but certainly is a risky choice in the long run.

Search the forum and read how many people have puppies with elbow or hip dysplasia and how expensive the surgery is to correct as well as all the pain meds required to live with this problem. The breed also has many issues with eyes and heart problems. I understand budget restrictions but this is a really big risk to take to save money on the purchase price.

Maybe someone else on the forum has better advice for you. Maybe get insurance quickly?
why wouldn't they have proper clearances?
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why wouldn't they have proper clearances?
Because dogs with proper clearances aren't sold for $1000. You have to make a decision if you can find a nice family breeder with no clearances or pay the amount that a reputable breeder with clearances will offer. Read up what clearances on the breeding parents actually are.

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That would be a good question to ask the breeders you listed, you can look up info. on OFA.org. The 4 basics are heart (by cardiologist) eyes and this is only good for 12 months, hips & elbows. If they have hips and no elbows it usually means they did not pass... same things for hips if elbows are present. I'm still learning how to read these things. I will leave it up to the experts on this forum to do a more detailed search for you.

Anyone out there want to take a better look?
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If you have the registered names of the mom and dad from a litter your looking at I am sure someone here can help see if there are clearances.

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I bought my dog from a "family breeder" 4 years ago. I love him immensely. He was $800. I have spent $3,000-$5,000/year since on medical issues. I will continue to do whatever it takes to keep him healthy and happy. I am also lucky to be in a position to do so. I cannot get insurance for him because I didn't get it when he was a puppy and by the time I tried, they excluded pretty much everything as a pre-existing condition.


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None of the breeders you've chose have complete clearances.

The two dogs Austin Wanner is breeding (Dam: Wanner's Macy Sire: Spring Grove's Sir Tuckerson James) have absolutely no clearances. They aren't on k9data either, which means I can't tell you how old they are (if they're younger than 2, they won't have complete clearances anyway). Because I can't find these dogs on a public database, I can't tell you the history of clearances.

Maureen Quinlan is breeding Eldorado's Last King Of Merimaur x Merimaur How High My Irish Sky. The Eldorado sire has complete clearances (except eyes are out of date). On the other hand, the dam has all her clearances except her eyes. It's entirely possible that the dam has her eye clearance and the breeder just hasn't sent them in, so I'd contact her and ask.

The issue I see is that there isn't a history of complete clearances behind either the sire or dam. On the sire's side, neither of his parents have their heart or eye clearances. The history of clearances after that decreases - some of the sire's parents' parents have their hip clearances but not their elbow, or have some clearances but not the other. The issue with having a hip clearance but not the elbow clearance (or vice versa) is that hips and elbows are usually done together, so if the hip clearance is there but not the elbow, the dog probably failed the elbow clearance. Same issue on the dam's side. If I were looking for a dog, I'd skip this breeder.

Maplemoon Kennel is breeding Maplemoons Lunar Eclipse (dam) to Stoneledge Key to Triumph (sire).
The dam has all her clearances, and both her parents have all their clearances. However, the sire doesn't have complete clearances (only his hips and elbows) and his sire doesn't have parents listed on OFA so you don't have enough history of clearance (you should have at least five generations of complete clearances). The dam's dam's parents don't have complete clearances either.

tl;dr I wouldn't buy a puppy from any of the three breeders you mentioned. Incomplete or inconsistent clearances is the biggest issue. For the first two breeders, I couldn't find anything besides litter advertisements on the AKC Marketplace and breeder.net. The third breeder knows what health clearances are needed but chose a sire that doesn't have complete clearances, which is worse imo. It's one thing to be ignorant, it's another to know something and then just forego it. She owns the sire too, so there's no reason the sire doesn't have complete clearances.

On the other hand, you'd have a much much better chance with a puppy from Kalm Sea, Penny Lane, or Harborview. I have a Kalm Sea pup myself, so I'm slightly biased there. But Penny Lane and Harborview produce gorgeous dogs. I'm currently looking for a breeder* for my second puppy (way way in the future) and they're both on my list of breeders to contact.

*Not that there's anything wrong with my current boy's breeder - far from it actually. I just really like what certain other breeders are producing.

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None of the breeders you've chose have complete clearances.

The two dogs Austin Wanner is breeding (Dam: Wanner's Macy Sire: Spring Grove's Sir Tuckerson James) have absolutely no clearances. They aren't on k9data either, which means I can't tell you how old they are (if they're younger than 2, they won't have complete clearances anyway). Because I can't find these dogs on a public database, I can't tell you the history of clearances.

Maureen Quinlan is breeding Eldorado's Last King Of Merimaur x Merimaur How High My Irish Sky. The Eldorado sire has complete clearances (except eyes are out of date). On the other hand, the dam has all her clearances except her eyes. It's entirely possible that the dam has her eye clearance and the breeder just hasn't sent them in, so I'd contact her and ask.

The issue I see is that there isn't a history of complete clearances behind either the sire or dam. On the sire's side, neither of his parents have their heart or eye clearances. The history of clearances after that decreases - some of the sire's parents' parents have their hip clearances but not their elbow, or have some clearances but not the other. The issue with having a hip clearance but not the elbow clearance (or vice versa) is that hips and elbows are usually done together, so if the hip clearance is there but not the elbow, the dog probably failed the elbow clearance. Same issue on the dam's side. If I were looking for a dog, I'd skip this breeder.

Maplemoon Kennel is breeding Maplemoons Lunar Eclipse (dam) to Stoneledge Key to Triumph (sire).
The dam has all her clearances, and both her parents have all their clearances. However, the sire doesn't have complete clearances (only his hips and elbows) and his sire doesn't have parents listed on OFA so you don't have enough history of clearance (you should have at least five generations of complete clearances). The dam's dam's parents don't have complete clearances either.

tl;dr I wouldn't buy a puppy from any of the three breeders you mentioned. Incomplete or inconsistent clearances is the biggest issue. For the first two breeders, I couldn't find anything besides litter advertisements on the AKC Marketplace and breeder.net. The third breeder knows what health clearances are needed but chose a sire that doesn't have complete clearances, which is worse imo. It's one thing to be ignorant, it's another to know something and then just forego it. She owns the sire too, so there's no reason the sire doesn't have complete clearances.

On the other hand, you'd have a much much better chance with a puppy from Kalm Sea, Penny Lane, or Harborview. I have a Kalm Sea pup myself, so I'm slightly biased there. But Penny Lane and Harborview produce gorgeous dogs. I'm currently looking for a breeder* for my second puppy (way way in the future) and they're both on my list of breeders to contact.

*Not that there's anything wrong with my current boy's breeder - far from it actually. I just really like what certain other breeders are producing.

wow i could not have asked for a better response. thanks to everyone and special thanks to you.

we've filled out forms for Kalm Seas, Penny Lane, Harborview, Golden Glory and Goldenway.

will keep everyone updated.

thanks again!
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You do not say where you live, but by the names of the breeders, it sounds like the North East. I am not sure how much they charge, but I do know the prices are higher in that area of the country. If you are willing to expand your search to the Midwest, you can find golden puppies from reputable breeders with full clearances a little bit cheaper. The two coasts tend to be higher, partly because everything is higher ( vet bills, food, fuel, etc ).

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