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Confused on COI

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#1 ·
Hi everyone

So i found available pups from a reputable breeder but I'm confused on the 10 generation COI. It seems a bit high and I'm not sure if that is a bad thing. Could someone look at this test pedigree and give me some insight?

Pedigree: Freddie x Allee
Am. & Can. CH. Gotta Be Boom Boom Wow BOSS x Gotta Be Tennessee Honey

thanks
 
#2 ·
I am still learning, but I think with COI's everybody is going to have a different opinion. Most reputable breeders will have linebreedings to improve upon their lines, which will increase the COI. I believe my dogs are around there and higher.

I think it is more important to see the percentage of the individual dogs in the pedigree and to know about those dogs if there percentage is high.

Ask the breeder if you have concerns, and she can tell you why she chose the dogs she did.
 
#3 ·
What she said ^^.
 
#4 ·
I too want to see who the %'s are on and know that THOSE dogs are healthy. I also like to see the individual parents' COI- in this case, the dam is less than the average while the sire of the litter has a COI that is very high. I don't think that's all that unusual w this breeding program, very typey dogs and usually pretty high COIs. In other conversations we've said that a super low COI will lend itself to unreliable type. This is the opposite of that and every one of these puppies should look pretty much the same and very much like a show dog. So you should look into the health of the dogs who factor largely in the genetic info - ask what Flirt died of and when (she can't be alive still and that's one of my beefs with folks who put every little thing on k9data but COD and DOD), and all the other Nautilus dogs (Blu, and Van)....Teddy and Bear are both historic dogs and they'll pop up in many COI %'s... I am sure I have it written down what they died of and when but I don't know it off the top of my head. Someone else might.
 
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#9 · (Edited)
High COI's will be a problem with Nautilus on both sides of the pedigree and something you need to consider fully.... not saying the dogs are unhealthy (that's stuff you need to discuss with the breeder and what they know about the dogs), but seem to be tightly linebred on few dogs...

Having high COI isn't always the problem. Health of the actual lines is something to really discuss with the breeder. I'll say this much without naming any names. There is a dog out there who is only 8. The COI on him is 5 and 6 (10 and 12 generation). It goes up or down depending on which dog behind him you are looking at. This dog does have young cancer behind him (and he has cancer too) and many related lines do as well - to the extent that the breeders are hugely aware of it and are breeding away from the old lines. So keeping COI's low and aiming for low COI's in puppies it's not the whole story.
 
#11 ·
That's scary. I understand you don't want to name names but would you be able to tell us how to find out if there is cancer in a line? I don't want to be the unlucky one that gets one of those pups (which I'm sure are great dogs personally, I just don't want to have a higher risk for heart ache).
 
#12 ·
Specifically you need to find out what the three Nautilus dogs in the COI died of and at what age. Or at least, that is what I would need to know...I would also go through the 3 gen pedigree for CODs, and see if there is anything many dogs died of listed. The 5 gen page has a longevity link at the bottom but the problem w that is there are so many dogs without COD and DOD so it looks like they are very long-lived. And there may be some long lived ones in there, but I don't buy that there are a bunch of 17+YOs.
 
#13 ·
Unfortunately, this breeder may be a no go. Since emailing her those questions I have not gotten a response back. Granted she may be busy, but she was really fast replying to all my previous emails. It is a shame because she has a good reputation. Back to the drawing board...
 
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