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I was wondering if anyone has heard of this breeder in Ohio?
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What exactly is --pulled directly from their website..
Current Licensed Veterinarian Health Clearances: Heart, Lungs, Eyes, Hips/Elbows, All Normal

They use the same sire for all their females, do not see a single title, do other breeds..cant tell exactly how old they are but having a feeling bred TJ too young..too many red flags from what I am seeing.

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Thank you for getting back to me. I am trying to go visit their farm and appreciate the feedback so I will know what to ask. Thanks again!
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It sounds like you need to take a quick look at the thread on clearances and what they should like because it sure sounds like they just have their vet do "clearances."

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...look-like.html (What clearances look like)

Hips and elbows have to be sent to OFA (or PennHip for hips), and you can see what the certificates look like in that thread. Eyes must be cleared annually by a veterinary opthamologist and hearts by a veterinary cardiologist. Never heard of a clearance for lungs

A quick check of OFA does not show any clearances listed for Kyler.

There are a lot of good breeders in and near Ohio (Jennifer K at Shilo, for example) and you may want to check them out first.

If things like clearances are not in order, I usually advise people not to go visit because all Golden puppies are cute and can be hard to resist!

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Thanks Linda, I had no clue clearances needed to be sent away so I appreciate that link. I am very new at this and have just begun looking so all the info is a great help! The puppies aren't born yet I was just gonna go check out the parents and condition of the kennels, but you all have definitely got me thinking.
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Do not buy from this breeder (alzimm kennels)

Hello,

We have two dogs from this breeder. A two year old male named Bo and a 10 month old Dakota.

We just took Dakota to the vet as she was limping on her right back leg. We got xrays and were directed to go see a specialist for hip dysplasia!!!! After meeting with the surgeon it was confirmed that she has hip dysplasia (severe) in both hips and will need surgery soon. 4900 per hip!!!.

We called Vicki and asked her why a dog this young would have hip dysplasia? We told her that hip dysplasia is GENETIC and that this is not cause by environmental issues. We asked her to refund us the cost of the dog but she refused. She said that you shouldn't spend that much on a dog...These two dogs are a part of my family, something she doesnt understand. She doesn't see her dogs as family (only as $$$$$). Go figure. She said she would give us a new dog but not a refund. This is the last time i will ever deal with a breeder like her. She has not "hip" guarantee in her dogs...FALSE ADVERTISING.
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Hip issues can be compounded by environment issues and exercise, weight, as well as genetics.

First off, did both parents have verifiable hip and elbow certifications from Orthopedic Foundation for Animals? That is a good starting point when looking for a golden puppy. I do not know this breeder or kennel but something to be aware of.

Please get a second opinion on the hips. Lonnie Davis of Troy Animal Hospital does excellent hip xrays. Positioning is key to diagnosing and grading hip dysplasia.
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Mbaiko, I would inquire about puppy lemon laws (yes, some states do have them) in your state. I believe they apply to dogs less than one year of age who develop a serious medical condition that can be traced back to the breeder (I would think genetics would count). In CA I think the Seller has to pay 1.5 times the purchase price for these dogs if the owner decides to keep it, but I'm not aware if current law has changed or not. Anyhow it would be worth looking into.


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After all the posts about this kennel, I went and looked...
who in the world would consider a breeder who breeds not only all their bitches to the same dog, but also to the German Shepherds they own? Golden Sheps? Crazy.
I too read their clearances as done by their vet. Not clearances, just a vet who is probably not aware their own integrity is being impaired by their client.
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Hello,

We have two dogs from this breeder. A two year old male named Bo and a 10 month old Dakota.

We just took Dakota to the vet as she was limping on her right back leg. We got xrays and were directed to go see a specialist for hip dysplasia!!!! After meeting with the surgeon it was confirmed that she has hip dysplasia (severe) in both hips and will need surgery soon. 4900 per hip!!!.

We called Vicki and asked her why a dog this young would have hip dysplasia? We told her that hip dysplasia is GENETIC and that this is not cause by environmental issues. We asked her to refund us the cost of the dog but she refused. She said that you shouldn't spend that much on a dog...These two dogs are a part of my family, something she doesnt understand. She doesn't see her dogs as family (only as $$$$$). Go figure. She said she would give us a new dog but not a refund. This is the last time i will ever deal with a breeder like her. She has not "hip" guarantee in her dogs...FALSE ADVERTISING.
First of all, you were NOT refused a refund. You were asked to fulfill a very simple and reasonable request, which was to send us vet documentation and x-rays so that we could see them before making a decision. Do you honestly expect someone to simply send you a refund based on your word alone that there's a problem? Considering you never sent the requested documentation, and chose to spam this forum instead, it's blatantly obvious that you're the one who is refusing to work with us.

Hip dysplaysia is not a purely genetic issue, as CarolinaCasey already pointed out (after your wife was told such on the phone the other day when the request for X-Rays and such was originally requested). Also, certain conditions may sometimes be mistaken for hip dysplasia, such as panosteitis, which is painful and can cause dogs to limp and not want to move around a whole lot. This is why we request x-rays and other vet documentation BEFORE offering a refund.

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She doesn't see her dogs as family (only as $$$$$). Go figure.
That is just insulting and you know it. Your wife called us and acted as if your puppy was so dysplastic that they couldn't walk, and needed immediate surgery to correct a severe issue. Under that context, spending nearly $10,000 to extend a dog's suffering is, in our opinion, far more cruel than if you were to simply put the dog to sleep.

Alternatively, you make this post and state that your dog was merely limping, and not in the condition we were lead to believe over the phone. Which one is it?

Your family has adopted FOUR of our puppies. Your father has two, and now you have two. We were good enough for your family to return to us THREE times after the first. And instead of working with us to resolve the issue, you decide to act like a raving lunatic on a public forum instead?

Not to mention, we received a very interesting email today... which Hotmail identified as coming from you, but is signed in the name of your brother, Matt.



So, either this email is genuine, and your family is looking to adopt a 5th puppy from us (I highly doubt it), or you're playing some other game.

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dont buy, hip issues.
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do not buy from alzimm kennels
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alzimm kennels are the worst do not buy
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Alzimm kennels are bad.

No guarantees
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Alzimm kennels are liars, dogs have a history of hip issues
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Alzimm kennels bad lineage
A bit of life advice...

Throwing a temper tantrum is not a very good way of resolving circumstances in ways that are favorable for you. Most people are far less willing to work with those that resort to libel as opposed to constructive communication.

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Mbaiko, I would inquire about puppy lemon laws (yes, some states do have them) in your state. I believe they apply to dogs less than one year of age who develop a serious medical condition that can be traced back to the breeder (I would think genetics would count). In CA I think the Seller has to pay 1.5 times the purchase price for these dogs if the owner decides to keep it, but I'm not aware if current law has changed or not. Anyhow it would be worth looking into.
There are no such laws in Ohio, unfortunately. Though they are currently petitioning for them to be enacted, which would be a good thing. Though they would not help in a situation where someone refuses to even provide documentation supporting their own assertions anyway.

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After all the posts about this kennel, I went and looked...
who in the world would consider a breeder who breeds not only all their bitches to the same dog, but also to the German Shepherds they own? Golden Sheps? Crazy.
I too read their clearances as done by their vet. Not clearances, just a vet who is probably not aware their own integrity is being impaired by their client.
You are well within your rights to form whatever opinion you wish, just remember that those opinions are your own, and likely inaccurate without possessing all relevant facts.
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