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Old 03-12-2013, 11:10 AM
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I think this is an absolutely great description of that "it" factor w/regards to obedience. o_O My instructor even commented that when she's looking over a litter that she has the opportunity to pick from, she's choosing the dogs that have the best eye contact and choose to be with her. That's how she chose her girlie.

Very interesting description of field goldens w/regards to environment focus. How do you define that? Or what behavior do the puppies show? Is that the puppy that's trotting off and investigating things on its own?
For field, I want a pup that chooses birds/wings over the other toys available. I want a pup who is willing to go out and investigate its world, and go over, under and into cover, and that wants to go in water. I want to see a pup using its nose, as scenting is such an important part of finding and recovering game. And because I waterfowl, I want a pup who notices birds in flight and tracks them. I do also want some people focus, as they do need to be able to give focus and attention for handling, but I want it balanced with that willingness to go out and explore on their own. By contrast, for someone whose primary focus is high end competitive obedience, that environmental focus could be a detriment, and for the field, a dog that is glued to my side and looking at me all the time is going to miss the marks. But for obedience, that is a desired trait and if the pup is already showing it, it is a matter of enhancing, rather than creating it while fighting a different natural tendency. One of the reasons I kept Wings last spring was because when the puppies were having their yard time, she was watching squirrels run the power lines, and birds passing overhead, and tracking them. Friends have her cousin and she does the same thing, as does Wings' dad.
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I am so glad that I found this site. The information is fantastic. I am looking for a dog that loves the water because that is a big part of my family's life, but we don't hunt and we will not be competing. This is really going to be a family dog in an active environment. We have had high energy field style goldens in the past, so we know it's a good fit. My feeling is that if I go to a breeder that is good enough for competitors (either field or obedience), I am going to get a dog that was bred thoughtfully and with care. I'm thinking a human focused dog is a good bet for us and we would probably be more likely to do obedience and agility than field. I just want to make sure it likes and is able to go in the water. My in-laws had a golden with a coat that was so thick he couldn't go in the water because his under-coat wouldn't dry and he would have terrible skin irritations. I have to say thank you again for this great information.
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Tanbark may work very well for you. Talk to Yvonne about your needs!
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Sounds like Tanbark could be a good match for you. Others you might consider would be HighTimes, MapleHill (Leslie B on this forum), and Wynwood in Michigan. They are all in the midwest so reasonably close for you, and use lines that have been very successful in in obedience and fieldwork. All will have workmanlike coats that will be fine with the water!
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I am so glad that I found this site. The information is fantastic. I am looking for a dog that loves the water because that is a big part of my family's life, but we don't hunt and we will not be competing. This is really going to be a family dog in an active environment. We have had high energy field style goldens in the past, so we know it's a good fit. My feeling is that if I go to a breeder that is good enough for competitors (either field or obedience), I am going to get a dog that was bred thoughtfully and with care. I'm thinking a human focused dog is a good bet for us and we would probably be more likely to do obedience and agility than field. I just want to make sure it likes and is able to go in the water. My in-laws had a golden with a coat that was so thick he couldn't go in the water because his under-coat wouldn't dry and he would have terrible skin irritations. I have to say thank you again for this great information.
You seem like an awesome home, with good reasoning for your choice. I chose my Finn for very similar reasons, coming off a girl golden with a ball gown coat who wouldnt do more than wade on a 90 degree day. Our other goldens have all been fun, splashy athletes, but this girl was the laziest dog ever on earth. On hikes, she would press her big head against the back of my lower legs to show how much she hated it, lol. I have to add, she was sweet, kind, and good at heart, but wow no fun.
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All will have workmanlike coats that will be fine with the water!
And don't write off other breeders as well....

My Jacks has a wash and wear coat. And *fingers crossed* so does my puppy. Both went swimming Saturday morning, had baths, and were dry in an hour. They went swimming in a flooded section of our lawn later that day (oh yay) and were dry within an hour, dirt flaked off.
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I might be wanting too much in a dog, but I want one why can do everything, not necessarily at the highest level, say JH, CDX or (note the or, not and) some agility. If the dog likes something better, I am willing to go with what the dog likes. I do want a playful but adventurous dog. And I want a swimmer. So should I look for a mixed line?
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I've had the opportunity to see a couple of Tanbark dogs in obedience competition within the last year. Their owner is a very experienced competitor and the dogs were all business and doing very well. I was struck by how dissimilar they were to my Zoe. They were smaller, leaner, darker, less coat. As I remember, the owner said that he was very happy with them and had had other Tanbark dog(s).
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One thing I would ask prospective breeders in your situation is how much the parents enjoy the water, it does vary and the ability and willingness to swim is not the same thing as loving to swim. My Dexy LOVED to swim more than anything else in the world and I was told that his mother was the exact same way, you could not keep them out of the water and his father was a big swimming dog too.

My Selli likes to swim, but after several retrieves she wants to go hunt for critters. The only time she is crazy for the water is when we go to Lake Michigan, then all she wants to do is swim and retrieve. When I asked her breeder if her mother swam, she said yes, but had nothing more to say about that. It doesn't really bother me that Selli is not as crazy about swimming as Dexy was, but it took time to adjust my expectations and behaviors to a dog who doesn't want to spend all day at the lake.
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I might be wanting too much in a dog, but I want one why can do everything, not necessarily at the highest level, say JH, CDX or (note the or, not and) some agility. If the dog likes something better, I am willing to go with what the dog likes. I do want a playful but adventurous dog. And I want a swimmer. So should I look for a mixed line?
A versatility type breeding is going to be your best bet for this kind of dog. A dog that can easily get its MH is going to be a dog that can be trained for its CDX as well, it would just be more work to get that dog to give the kind of eye contact and handler focus that you will need to get an OTCH. Unless you are say Bridget Carlsen and have a dog like Hootie! Lots of the versatile breeders who have been suggested to you who have a lot of varied titles in the dogs they are producing are going to be your good bets.
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