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Old 01-05-2013, 03:43 PM
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If English cream, cream, white ultra light, platinum, silver raise red flags - could some of the experts on this website please advise what is the CORRECT terminology that you would like applied?

I have no clue what to call my puppy anymore just so I will not raise the so called red flags. Frankly she is all of the above. Her coat is white and in the sun or light she shines just like silver and platinum. She is creme and ultra light on her back and her ears.

I did my homework and knew way ahead of time what I was getting - most people have no clue what an English Golden is - go to Petco and ask. Simple as that. I had to convince my DH that our next dog will either be a British Retriever (as I call them) or a Pyrenees. As a full blooded American he was just like you guys, totally reluctant; until he met her. And to be honest none of his previous American Goldens could compare to my Rose Bud and as much as he hates it he has admitted to it many and many times.

Don't get me wrong, the last pure American golden, Trooper, I only spent his last four years with him and I loved him and formed a bond with him to the point that I could not go to the bathroom without him coming with me. I had to be careful how much I moved around so he will not come after me with his poor old legs, had to be careful where and how long I gardened so he will always be in the shade and then back inside.
Finally, thanks for referring to the type of dog as a British retriever!!! English Cream sounds like a type of cookie! . The breed originates from Scotland - mine is Welsh born of Welsh parents. A small thing to you guys over 'the pond' but a big thing to us non-English Brits
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We got burned getting our dog from a breeder we haven't met. Maybe we would have been in the same situation even if we met the breeder. Trooper came from a reputable breeder with great pedigree. The poor sweet thing had seizures, starting with petite mal seizures at 4 to grand mal seizures at 6 thru almost the age of 13. My DH is blaming himself to this day for having him shipped to him via airplane - somehow he thinks that it is to blame that for his seizures.
One of these days I will pull his paperwork from the filing cabinet. The bond I developed with him made me fall in love with the breed.
you have to remember that things happen... that even when a breeder does everything right things can happen I can attest to this with my Bing who has a serious congenital defect that we had no idea about when we sold him to a couple, once we found out we refunded their money and took the puppy back (at their request) ... we had no idea he was sick when he went to the family.

I also have a boy here who started seizing at a year old and is now 11 it stinks, but there is no guarantee that meeting the breeder would have changed the situation... I am sorry you got burned but just keep in mind that many of us in the dog world will get puppies sight unseen from reputable breeders to diversify pedigrees, to bring in dogs that we have seen and add it really is not a red flag... but the utmost caution must be taken.
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Shalva, we never blamed the breeder and as I said probably we would have gotten Trooper even if we met the breeder. Nor would we EVER consider returning the puppy no matter what the future brings. The moment the puppy steps foot on our land he/she is a family member. And all the darn stray cats for that matter.
Forums such as this also helps in determining how the breeders care for their furry friends and their pups and also develop a virtual relationship with the breeder. There are quite a few of you that I have the utmost respect for.
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Can I ask if anyone has any experience with Kyon Kennels in Canada?
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I have a 6 year old golden whose grandfather is from Kyon. Also, there are at least 2 dogs that come to off-leash play that are from Kyon. One is a 2 1/2 possibly 3 year old male and he just loves everybody, nice temperment, very light in colour and an all round big goof ball, he also has SAS, I believe the breeder gave them a 10 year guarantee on his heart. The other is a girl not quite a year old, she has a little more colour, well mannered, a little overweight--not the breeders fault, but a little skittish, I don't think the owners have socialized her very much. The owners of the little girl also have a male, never seen him, from Kyon who is 16 1/2 years old, and I believe they also had another Kyon male that lived to 15 years.

The boy with SAS is evidence that even if you "do everything right" there are no guarantees, but this breeder has stepped up, found the dog a unconditional loving home, with the resources to take care of him, and has extended their health guarantee (replacement puppy) on his heart to 10 years and made sure the buyers understood what they were getting by adopting him.
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Finally, thanks for referring to the type of dog as a British retriever!!! English Cream sounds like a type of cookie! . The breed originates from Scotland - mine is Welsh born of Welsh parents. A small thing to you guys over 'the pond' but a big thing to us non-English Brits
Over here English Style refers to a series of traits that are different from our American Style... at this point in time it has very little to do with country or area of origin .... the reality is that Wales is part of the UK and as such English is not all that far off... Romanian golden retrievers are also referred to as English style as the dogs in the pedigree often to back to UK pedigrees.... the boy I got from Portugal also is referred to as English style... again nothing to do with country of origin but rather the dogs that the pedigree goes back to and the series of traits.
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Alaska Retrievers is an excellent breeder. I have a dog from them, know others who have dogs, have been to the home and kennel and could not give them a higher reccomendation. I have even watched them take extraordinarey measures to protect each puppy they sell and keep track of them. I am sad that many people are commenting on things they don't know about...this is not high school but real life! Really, this amazing family breeds, trains and raises amazing dogs and the children are adorable as well!
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This is from another post, and some may find it helpful.
I would like to see this article included as a sticky on this forum:

http://www.englishgoldens.net/pdf/Wh...nRetriever.pdf


Perhaps this article written by Bev Brown would be of interest to those looking for English golden retriever puppies and the terms White, Platinum, Cream and American Red being used by breeders to give those puppy buyers a better understanding of the Golden Retriever Breed Standards in the US, Canada and Europe? I think it is an excellent article.
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This is from another post, and some may find it helpful.
I would like to see this article included as a sticky on this forum:

http://www.englishgoldens.net/pdf/Wh...nRetriever.pdf


Perhaps this article written by Bev Brown would be of interest to those looking for English golden retriever puppies and the terms White, Platinum, Cream and American Red being used by breeders to give those puppy buyers a better understanding of the Golden Retriever Breed Standards in the US, Canada and Europe? I think it is an excellent article.
It already is posted as a sticky.


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