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I have been searching online for breeders in my area. While I've owned goldens my whole life, I'm very new at understanding the terms breeders use and what the health clearances mean. The only two I've seen people recommend to me so far are Sunbeam and Autumnwind. I will certainly look into these, but I can't imagine these are the only 2 responsible breeders in all of so cal. I did contact my local gr club and I received a form letter back, and all it said was they were not aware of any litters at this time, and that they would not recommend a breeder only a litter. I hope it's not a problem for me to ask about individual breeders on this forum....I thought that getting advice and feedback from others was what this forum was about.
The reason I asked is I was trying to see if you were locating there breeders through doggies.com, puppies4sale, puppyfind.com...which I don't recommend. There are a number of stickies under the same section you're posting in that will guide in selecting a reputable breeder. By all means ask for feedback, but a little homework on your part to gain the basics will help you to quickly filter through the obvious unreputable ones and then you can use your time to focusing on the rest and clarifying any info. Depending on the timeframe you're looking to add a pup, you may have to broaden your search.
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Anyone have any experience or thoughts on EveningStar Kennels? I've seen a couple mixed reviews online. Looking to add a golden puppy to the family.
Won't hurt to go check them out

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Won't hurt to go check them out
For one thing, they fake clearances. I'm sitting here looking at two of them as I type this. A purported exam date on one is a year before the dog was actually born. On another they list a male dog as female, and it is obviously someone else's clearance that was altered. They may even fake pedigrees. Wouldn't surprise me.

For another, the puppies are often diseased when they come home. The times I have been there, the grounds have been filthy, and I feel sorry for the dogs used for breeding, kept in the conditions they are. Notably, they don't let people see where the parents are kept. The puppies are poorly bred and are not properly socialized. They usually have multiple litters at once. Once, she brought out two litters and mixed them together, then returned them to the same pen. They were unmarked. I have no idea if she has some way of telling them apart, or if she even cares.

I'd love to say more, but that should be enough.
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For one thing, they fake clearances. I'm sitting here looking at two of them as I type this. A purported exam date on one is a year before the dog was actually born. On another they list a male dog as female, and it is obviously someone else's clearance that was altered. They may even fake pedigrees. Wouldn't surprise me.

For another, the puppies are often diseased when they come home. The times I have been there, the grounds have been filthy, and I feel sorry for the dogs used for breeding, kept in the conditions they are. Notably, they don't let people see where the parents are kept. The puppies are poorly bred and are not properly socialized. They usually have multiple litters at once. Once, she brought out two litters and mixed them together, then returned them to the same pen. They were unmarked. I have no idea if she has some way of telling them apart, or if she even cares.

I'd love to say more, but that should be enough.
Fake? Please post.

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Fake? Please post.
You're in Chino? I'm happy to show you in person. Why are you so positive for this terrible breeder? Do you know her?

Example: Here is a purported CERF exam for a dog that wasn't actually born yet on the purported date of exam. This is an altered CERF that was used for at least three dogs that I know of, where certain info (like the dog's name) was whited out and written over to make it look like this was an actual exam of that dog when it was not.

EDITED: Nevermind. I removed the image. I see it has her name and address, so perhaps I shouldn't post it publicly. But I'm happy to show them to you in person.

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Here is that exact same form, altered to make it look like it was for another dog. Note that the dog is male, but they didn't bother to change the bubble that says the dog is female. Compare the two and see that they are alterations of the same exam.

By the way, the dog's name on this form isn't even the dog's actual registered name.

EDITED: Image removed because it contains personally identifying information. Again, happy to show you in person.
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I thought the website was bells and whistles. I couldnt even find clearance on the wesite I was looking at. I would run from this site and keep looking. I dont even know what I am looking at yet in all those pedigrees and clearance but I dont like what I see on the website I looked at.
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Oops my friends are screwed.

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What do you mean by that? I guess you do know them?
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What do you mean by that? I guess you do know them?
It was kinda a joke. A friend of mine purchased her golden from Evening Star 15 years ago. And Barley is still going strong. thanks for asking.

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