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| I am not a breeder, and this comment may be out of line, but if the breeder (who has the bitch with pyometra) breeds her "back to back" are you meaning the bitch will give birth to a litter of puppies, and then immediately will be bred again so she has no rest time before having another litter? So, here's my reflection: I would think a bitch who had pyometra suffered physically as a result. So, she is bred, which again (I would think) drains her physically. So, if she is bred "back to back" (and then spayed) is the reason for the back to back breeding just to maximize the gain for the breeder (this gain could be "fame" or actual money) before the bitch is spayed? This doesn't seem to be in the bitch's interest. |
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And keep in mind, back to back means at least 6 months apart because they come in season only every 6 months or longer apart.
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You're kind of making some assumptions, the least of which is that breeding is about making money, and breeding back to back just means more money in the breeders pocket, or that a bitch is so depleted after a litter that it takes at least a year or longer to recover. In either case those assumptions are not correct. Breeding isn't always black and white. There is a lot more gray to consider in the decision making process than absolutes. A particular bitch may possess traits very important to the future of a breeding program. If the breeder loses her contribition, it can set the breeders program back several years. You have to weigh each breeding individually on its own merits. Many Reproductive Specialists now recommend back to back breedings (assuming the bitch is healthy), over skipping cycles. This is a change from what has been the norm for decades. So, I would not automatically assume that breeding back to back is somehow bad or unethical, what really matters is the overall health and condition of the bitch when deciding to breed or not. In the case of a bitch that has a history of pyo, you're risking the health of the bitch by leaving her intact and NOT breeding her when she cycles. If you do choose to breed, you're dealing with an "At risk" pregnancy right out of the gate. The care of a bitch under such conditions is both time consuming and expensive.
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| I was wondering about the second breeding (not the first one after she was dx'ed with pyometra). What is the purpose of breeding her a second time (instead of spaying her after the first breeding)? I named fame (meaning, the offspring could be fabulous dogs) as well as financial (meaning, the cost of bringing the bitch to the point where she can be bred is a financial outlay for the breeder). So my question was, was the 2nd breeding to benefit the bitch or the breeder? |
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| Often, in fact usually I think, if a girl pyos after a heat, she will not have a successful pregnancy that time. So these two girls pyoing during their previous heats does not automatically mean they had puppies.
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| I know nothing about this breeder, my comments are directed to the pyometra discussion. Pyometra occurs when the uterus has been primed by the estrogen release in estrus followed by the release of progesterone. At a meeting that I went to, the repro vet said it was also more common in a uterus with endometrial hyperplasia and/or uterine cysts. Ironically, I heard of a golden breeder in this area that has brought a number of bitches into a local animal hospital with pyometra(a vet tech told me and probably shouldn't have), so it got me to thinking if there was some hereditary link. Recently we spayed a ten month old golden with a pyometra. She had the most unusual uterine pathology that I have seen in a young dog. So,we sent it in for histopathology as a professional interest, sure enough, it was pyometra with endometrial hyperplasia and (infected) endometritis. In 26.5 years as a vet, I have never seen Pyo in a bitch that young. And yes, after a bitch has a Pyo, you need to breed,on the next heat. The conditions that caused the Pyo in the first place are still present with each subsequent heat. I am going to a Continuing Education in January, given by Dr. Hutchinson, the repro guru, and I will see what he has to say about that and hydrops.
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