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Old 12-12-2012, 10:12 PM
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I may be a bit partial, but this Topbrass litter should be really nice!!

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Dana & Dillon will be AWESOME -- both dogs are super and very attractive!!! Dillon is a favorite of mine, big fan.
A lot of field trial bred goldens can be rather sensitive -- I think it all boils down to this person needs to look at the parents and see if they like them.
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Very interesting thread, and an even more interesting list of what this person is looking for.

On the whole, I do think she will have a harder time finding a 'harder Golden' (if I understand what that means), as it's not really in keeping with Golden Retriever character (at least not ones I have been exposed to in 20+ years, which are mainly Conformation/Obedience/Agility dogs (as in they can do all of those things)).

While I understand the want and desire to have parents (not sure why the dam doesn't matter in this case) with Obedience titles, in my experience that is not always necessary. I helped train and trial the Canadian #1 Golden, #1 Sporting Dog and #5 All Breeds in Obedience several years ago and the highest obedience title in 4 generations was a CD. From my own breeding I have had a dog just a few legs shy of their AKC MACH, with zero agility titles in 5 generations, another is working their way up to a MACH, same with obedience titles.

With the right owner, the right training program, and the right puppy the sky can be the limit when it comes to most of the performance sports.

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Very interesting thread, and an even more interesting list of what this person is looking for.

On the whole, I do think she will have a harder time finding a 'harder Golden' (if I understand what that means), as it's not really in keeping with Golden Retriever character (at least not ones I have been exposed to in 20+ years, which are mainly Conformation/Obedience/Agility dogs (as in they can do all of those things)).

While I understand the want and desire to have parents (not sure why the dam doesn't matter in this case) with Obedience titles, in my experience that is not always necessary. I helped train and trial the Canadian #1 Golden, #1 Sporting Dog and #5 All Breeds in Obedience several years ago and the highest obedience title in 4 generations was a CD. From my own breeding I have had a dog just a few legs shy of their AKC MACH, with zero agility titles in 5 generations, another is working their way up to a MACH, same with obedience titles.

With the right owner, the right training program, and the right puppy the sky can be the limit when it comes to most of the performance sports.

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I'm taking "hard" to be the opposite as "soft". As in, not going to melt because of corrections. I'd definitely put my youngest in that category. He is a total love bug, wants to live his life curled in my lap if he's not running around, but a correction is not going to hurt his feelings or make him shut down.

I'm assuming she said mom's titles don't matter because in most of the larger breeding programs the girls aren't always titled.
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In this thread the person looking for the dog describes what they are looking for in terms of a Golden. Look at the top post on this page.
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Rob - this is a sidetrack, but you just made my day.

I went with a conformation puppy because I wanted that temperament and look first. It was a huge risk as far as trainability and I had (still have to) go by what the breeders told me as far as these dogs being capable of great things.

I would rather sacrifice that dog's ability to become an OTCH with the least amount of effort on my part....

As opposed to sacrificing when it comes to having a dog who will never growl, bite in his life.

And even opposed to sacrificing when it comes to spending $$$$ on a dog who doesn't even look like a golden retriever. o_O
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In this thread the person looking for the dog describes what they are looking for in terms of a Golden. Look at the top post on this page.
I feel bad saying this, but I'm wondering what is attracting this person to a golden retriever? Reading her rambling comment, I really don't get it.

Beyond anything else - I don't believe that there is such a thing as a show/field golden who isn't a show/obedience golden. That's a contradition.

Why not steer her towards labs instead? I've met labs who are harder headed and EXACTLY what she's looking for.
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Good suggestion! I did recommend that she look into Titan's breeding!
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In this thread the person looking for the dog describes what they are looking for in terms of a Golden. Look at the top post on this page.
After reading that, I would have to agree with the other poster, why a Golden? What is described, in my opinion, is not typical Golden behaviour she is looking for. This person seems to want a herding or working dog mentality in a Golden Retriever package, which is just plain ol' incorrect.

I would suggest this person do some real research into the history of our breed, they were made to work alongside WITH man, not to be completely independent thinkers. Before someone reads this and says, 'but they are out there I had one', I will just say that's the exception not the rule (at least it should be the exception). In this persons own writing they state they have only seen what they are looking for a couple of times.

At this point I think my only suggestion would be to either alter the expectations into something realistic for a Golden Retriever, or keep those expectations and look into a different breed (if it's the challenge of getting into a dogs head she wants, maybe try a Siberian, or a Beagle? Both independent breeds where much work is required to get to the high obedience levels).

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