I am not trying to be difficult, I am just adding information so that the other members have a bit more of a feel for what she is looking or not looking for.

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Creekwood Tanglefoot Selchie CD, RN, AX, AXJ, CGC, CCA, (A.K.A. Selli-Belle) Golden

Valentine Byrd McDuff (A.K.A. Duffy) Golden/Sheltie

Tanglefoot Autumn Dexter CGC (My Heart Dog at the Bridge) Golden

Check out zaniri.com

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"Fisher" CH Deauxquest Hard Day's Knight UDT VER RAE MH WCX CCA VCX OS DDHF :: www.go-fisher.com
"Slater" Morninglo Wing-T Your Bird Can Sing MH WCX CCA
"Bally" Richwood Wing-T Workin' Like A Dog
anney@k9-design.com

Yes, she is a fabulous girl!! Very beautiful worker, mover, and to look at. Too bad she is spayed.

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UCD URO1 HighRoller Fast Track Filly CDX, RN, NA, NAJ, CGC
River Run Absolutely Riveting CDX, RE, CGC
UCD Hot Gold HankyPanky CDX RAE CGC (retired)





"Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment." ~Jim Rohn

When I think of the really good obedience Goldens that have the conformation look, NONE come to mind that are known for their drive. They are happy, accurate workers, but not high drive. She'll really need to look around to find a dog that she likes and look into those lines

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Jodie

AJ's Maiden By the Sea CDX RE (Annabel - retired)
Mud E Paws UDX OM2 RE OBHF (Conner - retired with 28 OTCH points)
Sunfire's Flying Head Over Heels UD BN RA (Flip)
And the odd one of the family - Colby Jack Teeter Smack CDX GO RA (Colby - Lhasa Apso)

Oops, looking back, you didn't specify high drive. I saw the word several times in the thread but and I guess it stuck in my head. So never mind.

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Jodie

AJ's Maiden By the Sea CDX RE (Annabel - retired)
Mud E Paws UDX OM2 RE OBHF (Conner - retired with 28 OTCH points)
Sunfire's Flying Head Over Heels UD BN RA (Flip)
And the odd one of the family - Colby Jack Teeter Smack CDX GO RA (Colby - Lhasa Apso)

I think Apollo makes very handsome kids, and I don't know any that are known for being "soft." If interested you could ask Pat if there's any plans to use him.

Pedigree: OTCH MACH Sunfire's Undeniable VCD3 UDX RAE TDX MH MXC MJB WCX OBHF ADHF ** OS

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Jodie

AJ's Maiden By the Sea CDX RE (Annabel - retired)
Mud E Paws UDX OM2 RE OBHF (Conner - retired with 28 OTCH points)
Sunfire's Flying Head Over Heels UD BN RA (Flip)
And the odd one of the family - Colby Jack Teeter Smack CDX GO RA (Colby - Lhasa Apso)

I kinda have a question - and it may have been addressed already earlier in the thread, but how involved is this person with competition in her area? Does she train with other golden retriever owners whose dogs have high drive? Does she have a good idea of what she's looking for? Does she have an idea of how to train them or is she going to tackle it just like she would train any other breed?

Those breeders that Selli-Belle mentioned - Kathy Cox and Linda Brady - their dogs that I've seen are VERY GOOD and VERY DRIVEN. I don't know how well they'd do in the conformation ring, but they are very pretty and "look like goldens". I was raving in a previous thread about a young golden that Kathy and Linda bred. I guess this whole litter was pretty good, but this little boy especially was awesome.

There is a huge difference between those goldens, and sometimes what Gaylans breeds? I've seen some Gaylan goldens who really aren't that pretty or even that much of a natural for obedience. <- Some of that has to do with their maturity level.

Same thing with Topbrass - and actually talking with Bertie's breeder about Topbrass, I know that she said that the hardest headed golden she ever trained for obedience (I think she got a UDX on him or her) was a Topbrass. This dog didn't want to work for her - that's what "hard headed" to her meant. .

So in this context, I'm really confused about what "hard" means too. What does that mean to your friend? What kind of challenge is she looking for?

ETA - Did you/your friend look into High Times type goldens?

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Always loved, never forgotten, all our previous boys -

Is Colabaugh still in business? Their dogs often have had titles at either end of their names. Golly G comes to mind as well.

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"Samantha, George, Tiki, Emily, Mick and Basil" Gone but not forgotten, Sally(Windjammer's Ima Country Girl CDX CGC), Laney(Mandell Marlenes Celebration UD RA CGC), and Cookie(Starseeker's Kissmas Cookie CDX RE CGC).

Zaniri has a very nice litter due very soon! Another to check out would be Morninglo, Glenda Manucy down south. Further north in NE, Sanddancer (Rhonda Mulholland) could also be a good option if she likes darker dogs--there is a fair bit of field in the pedigrees, but the dogs are still very handsome. I have longer range plans for a breeding of my younger, fieldier girl to a Trowsnest boy with more conformation in his background, but that will likely not be until next fall. I would like to get her SH first.

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"Breeze" HR Trowsnest Sterre Autumn Breeze Can. SH WCX, Am. MH CCA
"Winter" Can/UKC Ch. Amberwood Winter Wonderland Can. SH WCX CD VCI, Am. SH CD WCX CCA VC, 2007 GRCC Nan Gordon Trophy
"Butch" Sterre Badlands Outlaw JH WC (Ch ptd), Am JH
"Bonnie" Sterre Texas Bluebonnet JH WCI, Am JH
"Wings" Sterre Widgeon on the Wing
"Chrissy" Halfmoon Embellishment (Cavalier)
"Juniper" Amberwood Northern Exposure CD RNCL (Apr15 2002-Feb12 2013)
http://www.sterregold.net

She is a very good owner-trainer. She prefers to get a puppy 10-12 weeks old. She is experienced in Reinforcement plus, Pos negative training, as well as drive training, and pos punishment only for proofing and precision. I'm not sure how high she has gone in obedience, but she is attempting to develop a network of Golden OB breeders and trainers. She is not interested in conformation with a Golden puppy, but thinks one would be great for higher OB, and I have ultimate faith in her. She does not want to be involved in hunting at all. She wants a high drive, assertive, good-nerved dog. I know they exist, I've owned one myself. Feathers and a blockhead would be a plus, but they are not a deal-killer. I was looking at Gaylans, Tanbark, and a "Push" grandson for her myself. Thanks in advance.