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I was just wondering if anyone has heard of this particular breeder. I maybe getting my first golden puppy from her. I believe I could be getting a pup from the Rayne litter. I have looked at her hip, eye, heart and elbow clearances and they look good. Could anyone double check for me just in case I am mistaken. Thank you very much!!

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The eye cert shown on OFA for Rayne is out of date, they are supposed to be done yearly. You might want to ask about that, it just may not have been sent in yet.

If I were spending this much on a puppy, I would want to know what the breeder is doing with her dogs to determine that they are breeding quality and worthy of producing the next generation of goldens. Is she showing them in confirmation, obedience, hunt tests, etc? Competing with her dogs in these venues proves structural correctness, trainability and temperament qualities. Do any of her dogs have a CCA (certificate from the Golden Retriever Club of America showing the dog meets the breed standard.)? I would also ask why she chose this breeding? How does the sire improve Rayne's weaknesses etc.


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They are not the best and they are not the worst. You could definitely do better. The price of these puppies seems high based on their parents accomplishments. Texas is filled with great breeders. I would suggest contacting the local Golden Retriever clubs Dallas-Ft. Worth Metro Golden Retriever Club or Austin Golden Retriever Club

Things I do like:
The clearances for the parents are mostly in order for the Rayne litter. As noble fan mentioned you need to ask about the dad's eyes.

Things I don't like and would ask questions about:
It seems like making puppies is the "hobby" and that does not make you a hobby breeder. The hobby is a discipline in the sport of dogs, like showing in conformation, obiedence, tracking, hunting, etc. The breeding comes later as a way to continue in your chosen sport. They do not talk any where on their site about being active with their dogs other that mentioning the CGC. I my opinion every golden should be able to earn a CGC, so to me that single accomplishment is not a reason to breed a dog.

Rayne's mother was bred despite having a heart murmur. So, the puppy you purchase will have a grand parent with a heart issue. I know she says her vet gave her the ok, but the GRCA COE did not.

Rayne was kept because she was the only girl. That statement just kind of worries me. It seem the only reason she was kept was her ability to make puppies. Sure, she could be the nicest puppy ever, but with out competing with her in some venue, no one knows. They then bred back the same mom and dad to keep a full sister. Why? Very rarely would a breeder want to keep two full sisters to continue a program with. The goal should be to improve each generation. Breeding back and keeping another of the same line is not what I would consider an attempt to move forward in a program.

By several statements, her selection seems based on color. This is the last consideration I would have when keeping a puppy. Yes, we all have preferences, but she is stating color as a reason she is selecting her dogs and not much else. If I have a choice between a dark puppy and a light puppy, I would choose the one that was the most structurally correct. This might be the case, but it is not what she is putting out their publicly.

Haylee's puppies being priced higher. Though no reason is stated for the difference, my guess would be the number of champions behind Haylee. Since there is no evidence that Haylee or Sandler are titled or competing anywhere, this make no since to me. Champions behind a dog mean very little if the parents themselves do not prove themselves as well. This seems like she is cashing in on the work of others.

These would be my talking points with her. She might have great reasons for doing what she is doing with her breeding program. So, I would have a conversation with her. For the price though, I do think you might be able to do better.

Good luck with your search. And of course we will all want to see pictures when you get your new puppy!


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Thank you very much, I am still new at this and still trying to get better at selecting a great Golden. I will still to be looking around for other Golden Breeders in Texas and I will research even more on the pedigrees of each goldens and learn from my mistakes. I am thankful for each and everyone of you all on my quest in searching for a golden that is perfect for me! =)
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I was just wondering where did it say that Rayne's mother had a Heart Murmur. I could not find the information of the K9 data
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Sure, it was right on the grindol's website. On the page originally posted. Each dog has a details section under Rayne it lists her parents names (Grindol's got the joy of grace) and when you scroll down you see "Joy" has her own section where the murmur is listed.


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OOhhh I see it! Thank you very much
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So do you believe I could do better than this? Because I have received an e-mail saying I am able to put down a deposit for the dogs already. Though after hearing what LJack and Nolefan had to say, I am having doubts about this. It says that the heart murmur for Rayne's mother will not affect Rayne's litter and the way LJack pointed out that how this breeder states why she kept Rayne because she was the only girl makes me second guess myself as I can see where LJack is coming from. Rayne was kept because she was this specific color and the only girl.

Should I go for this dog or should I go for one of "Yellow rose Golden Retriever" Yellow Rose Golden Retrievers Austin TX

Do you think that there will be any trouble with the grindol's golden in the future. Do you believe I should just go for the yellow rose Goldens?

Thank you for your time.
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So do you believe I could do better than this? Because I have received an e-mail saying I am able to put down a deposit for the dogs already. Though after hearing what LJack and Nolefan had to say, I am having doubts about this. It says that the heart murmur for Rayne's mother will not affect Rayne's litter and the way LJack pointed out that how this breeder states why she kept Rayne because she was the only girl makes me second guess myself as I can see where LJack is coming from. Rayne was kept because she was this specific color and the only girl.

Should I go for this dog or should I go for one of "Yellow rose Golden Retriever" Yellow Rose Golden Retrievers Austin TX

Do you think that there will be any trouble with the grindol's golden in the future. Do you believe I should just go for the yellow rose Goldens?

Thank you for your time.
I believe the advice of previous posters is there are some red flags with Gindols goldens, and either do your reseach very thoroughly or walk away. I would walk away. Looking at Yellow Rose, they have done all 4 clearances on the parents of the each of the 3 upcoming litters, except Chelsea does not have her CERF (eye) listed, most likely done just not submitted. If you chose a puppy from that litter you should ask the breeder to see a current CERF exam. My only concerns would be it does not appear she actively shows her dogs, and 3 litters in a short period of time. My concern about the 3 litters is: does she have time to properly care and socialize 3 litters at the same time.

I would not think there would be any repercussions from Grindol's if you purchased a puppy from somewhere else. You have the right to chose where you get your puppy.
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I don't know that anyone can truthfully say a heart murmur will not affect the puppy. Sub-aortic Stenosis is a real threat to the heart health of our breed. It has a complex an not completely understood inheritance in our breed. We know it is inherited and we know there can be silent/carriers of the condition. There is no genetic test to identify these dogs. So, there is a chance that Rayne could be a carrier if she inherited copies of the affected gene(s). So much of breeding is uncontrollable, genes combine so randomly. I would really carefully weigh this in your decision. If you have not read about Sub-aortic Stenosis (SAS), I suggest you should before you make up your mind.


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