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Old 11-14-2012, 10:44 PM
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Don't let what others say bring you down, Dana! Happy puppyhood to you!
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:45 PM
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Nor should you....I just don't get involved in those kinds of discussions...I will read them and see if there is any information I can get that is useful...but I choose not to participate for various reasons.

I am genuinely happy for you...
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:56 PM
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You are on quite a high horse, kdowning. One litter where the dam also failed elbows is not "many" litters, where are the others??? (And that is a very poor example, at best. Of course we always blame the sire, right???) And how do you know the breeders aren't discussing this with potential puppy buyers? Obviously the OP had been apprised of any potential issue prior to your inaccurate post, but you assumed everyone was playing hide the ball.

My "touchiness" is that you are putting inaccurate information out there for dramatic effect and it can have a lasting impression on someone's breeding program. How condescending to write that you're sure they'll "make great show dogs!" All this about a breeder you've never spoken to or met, and a breeding of dogs where you had no input in the decision. But you know everything, right??? Of course you do.

Melissa is a wonderful, reputable, conscientious breeder. I know her very well and co-own two dogs with her. I do not appreciate you badmouthing her breeding program or her choice of stud dog based on information you have "heard" but haven't produced the data to back up your statement. You didn't say "hey check out the elbow history in the pedigree" you said "I know of many other litters out of Ryder where the entire litter failed elbows." That is not trying to help potential puppy buyers, that is spreading inaccurate information with no data to back it up. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
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You know, I think it is safe to say we have ALL been attacked on here. For cripes sake, I was attacked on here when I was 14 years old! You take the good with the bad and simply move on.
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last post from me
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last post from me, I would like to see the thread closed since many personal attacks were made and not much education is happening anymore...
Oh, no, I don't think so. This is my thread that I started to celebrate my upcoming puppy and his siblings. It was supposed to be a joyful thing. Which didn't last long once you came in here and started trashing Sonny (and then Ryder). If you feel attacked, it's because of the way you handled this. It was not unprovoked. And rather than closing my thread over it, why don't you either just tone it down or refrain from posting.

I did not take you to task in this thread, even though I felt you were way off base and rained on my little parade. And I didn't take the bait when you suggested someone list all your incorrect statements. Which I could have. I tell facts from hyperbole for a living, and am quite adept detailing them, one by one, for everyone to see. And on behalf of the breeder of this litter, I probably should have. After all, you successfully scared off anyone who would celebrate with me. And what you said can hurt people, unjustly. But that's not what this thread was for.

So let's not lock this thread. I still want to celebrate my impending puppy, with or without you. And a healthy discussion of breeding risks is beneficial to everyone.

Then again, I suppose you've ruined my fun after all, so lock the thread if you like. I'm outta here.
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Yeah, you don't get to post untrue things about reputable breeders and prolific sires and then request the thread be closed. Saying "many" means many. That is not a typo. A typo is "manny" instead of "many." Let's call it what it was. You making accusations about Ryder when you didn't have the data to back it up. You making accusations about Melissa at Ridgeview without the data to back it up. Both of those things are wrong and are not educational in the slightest.

How do you know that Melissa bred Roxy to Sonny because he is a ranked dog? You keep harping on that fact. You are making a number of assumptions that are incorrect. I know, for a fact, that Sonny's current status in the rankings had NO impact on Melissa's decision to breed to him. If anything it was a deterrent from breeding to him due to potential logistical difficulties of breeding to a dog out being shown. He was chosen as (hopefully) the best dog to compliment the bitch. Again, you are just plain wrong. In the future, if you don't have the facts and are just making assumptions don't POST THEM ON THE INTERNET.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:17 AM
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I'd also like to make a comment on the point that a lot of breeders are breeding to him....sadly I don't see that as a good sign...It is discussed a lot among breeders about "popular sire syndrome" and breeding to what wins. Sonny has done VERY well in the ring and so has many of his siblings. It has been an incredible breeding in terms of success in the show ring....do you think its possible that fact might allow breeders to rationalize some health risks, in hopes of producing a litter of winners?
Hey kdowningxc, you missed deleting this one if you are deleting all of your posts here.

DanaRuns, enjoy your future puppy. Don't let a poster who makes inflammatory statements without supporting facts ruin your excitement.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:28 AM
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Dana, how exciting! I think the parade continues..... even if one of the floats broke down or a band member stepped in some cr*p! Can't wait to hear all about your lil' one as time progresses.
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