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Old 11-14-2012, 10:12 PM
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So. Anyway, I'm excited about this litter and wanted to tell people about it.

And I get the pick male, which I'm very excited about.
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[QUOTE=kwhit;1842967]Are there any breeders that ever stipulate in their contracts that even pet puppies be health tested? I had Chance's elbow x-rayed when he was 2.5 years old and at the time went ahead and did his other elbow and also his hips. Are breeders ever curious as to how their pet puppies would test? I would have no issue if I ever bought a puppy with this in it's contract. Just wondering if it's ever done and if it's felt that this would hinder puppy buyers.[/QUOTE

Actually, the breeder I got my Raider from did stipulate in his purchase contract that I do all his clearances at the appropriate times and had me sign it saying I would. And I did comply with it, I felt lucky to have been chosen as his owner and I was happy to do it. She also offered a rebate when certain other conditions had been met such as titles and also because I met all the conditions in the contract changed his limited registration to a full. Which didn't matter because he was neutered at 4 anyway. I had no problem what so ever signing the contract and agreeing to all the different requirements.
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kdowningxc said: Pedigree: Chantilly's Easy Ryder
This entire litter failed elbows.
I'd like you to point out anything I said that wasn't fact.



First off you should state facts and the ENTIRE litter did not fail elbows. Second you should also look at the mother who in fact failed OFA elbows and the breeder went through a registry that no longer exists to get her to clear. How can you blame it all on the sire or stud dog owner? Who by the way had elbow clearences along with several generations behind him with clear elbows! Third you said there were MANY litters that had entire ED failures from this sire which again is inaccurate. Fourth no one is hiding anything, get off the computer and ask if it applies to your breeding program instead of stirring up trouble.

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Sounds to me like someone is jealous. I've been witness to some backbiting in the breeding ranks but this takes the cake.
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I realize this is an extremely touchy subject, but I do appreciate the fact that reputable breeders and those pursuing titling their goldens are actively engaged in discussions. I do hope things can remain civil because this forum has so much to gain from multiple reputable breeders discussing topics like these in the open as opposed to the great number of BYBs and HVBs who pass through with their slick websites and spun stories touting their dogs are healthy & don't need clearances. I do fear if the tone is catty (and I understand reputations are on the line here) that this will just reinforce the average public to steer clear of reputable breeders and fall prey to those with the great marketing schemes cause they seem to be "friendly".
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I'm excited for you DanaRuns...I hope he is everything and more than you wanted...Thanks for sharing...
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Are there any breeders that ever stipulate in their contracts that even pet puppies be health tested? I had Chance's elbow x-rayed when he was 2.5 years old and at the time went ahead and did his other elbow and also his hips. Are breeders ever curious as to how their pet puppies would test? I would have no issue if I ever bought a puppy with this in it's contract. Just wondering if it's ever done and if it's felt that this would hinder puppy buyers.
I would LOVE to have all my pet puppies checked (even considered paying for half of it myself) but some people think we (breeders) are already too demanding in our contracts and have too many "ridiculous" stipulations for them anyways. I would love to know if I as a breeder am doing a good job on the overall - I would love to know if the siblings of my breeding dogs have strong or weak clearances - I personally think that breadth of clearances is just as important or depth. If my bitch is the only pass in a litter of fails I wouldn't want to be breeding her without knowing how I can avoid passing those traits on.
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I don't care what kdowning says. I've researched the **** out of this breeding, talked to tons of owners/breeders, and read clearances and studies until my head started spinning. This pairing looks fantastic and as safe as any. And I note that Kim's statements don't hold up, and she changes her story. I've also talked with others (some on this board) who had [i]rational[\i] questions about Ryder's pups, who bought Ryder pups, who bought Sonny pups, who chose not to buy those pups, who own Ryder siblings, and two veterinarians (who were actually the least help of anyone). I'm satisfied.

And I'm not going to let a bloviating sourpuss spoil my fun!
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