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Is English Creme always a red flag?

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My husband and I are meeting with a breeder in Uhrichsville, Ohio this Saturday to meet some puppies, but I just read on here that I should avoid websites with the label "English Cremes." I was curious if these dogs are still a bad choice if we are just looking for a lovable addition to our family, no pedigree required. I'm specifically curious because we have a cat who I love dearly and I wasn't sure if places that aren't reputable cause temperament problems or health issues. I just want a nice easy going puppy that can be a cat's companion, odd as that sounds. . The website is and they have 5 thirteen wk. old puppies from one litter and 2 from another marked down in price because they're moving. I really don't want to support a bad breeder as I was hesitant to go the breeder route with so many dogs that need rescue, but my husband is set on a puppy, so any advice would be great. This is my first time as a dog owner since I was 10, so thanks for any advice you have to share!
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I am guessing that the parents do not have OFA hip, elbow, heart, or eye clearances. If that is the case, I would move on...

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You can do much better! Take a look at the whole section about choosing a good breeder; it's very educational and you'll have a much better idea of what to look for in a healthy, sound puppy.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting a puppy; however, I would make sure you're not supporting a BYB who despite their "love" for their dogs is not doing the breed any good through their indiscriminate breeding practices. The website makes no mention of clearances and with no registered names of the dogs being bred, I'm unable to verify if the bare minimum clearances are in place (OFA hips & elbows, heart cleared by cardiologist and annual eye exams - CERF)--you want to see complete clearances throughout the pedigree. Don't believe any hype that "cremes" are healthier and/or the breeder has never had an issue with their dogs so no need to complete the clearances. Just looking at the website and the fact that they have 14 pups from 3 separate litters not sold--it looks like someone cashing in on the fad for light colored GRs. I'm surprised that their own stud is the best match for all three bitches.

And yes, the usage of the term "English Creme" is a red flag. Do the dogs actually hail from England?

I would pass on this litter and for the matter skip the trip on Saturday--if you go, there will be no way to walk away from the pups. Spend some time reading the stickies on how to select a reputable breeder in this section of the forum.
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That kennel you listed, breeds goldendoodles.


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I have merged the duplicate thread by the same op of this with this one to avoid duplicate postings etc. Thank you.
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I would have grave concerns about getting a puppy from this breeder. I found this on another of their websites

Welcome to All About Puppys We would like to welcome you to All About Puppys We realize that finding that perfect family pet can be a hard decision so please let us help you along the way. Please enjoy your All About Puppys shopping experience Who Are We Mike and Alice Moreland have been raising dogs for over 20 years. We believe in raising dogs for loving families like yours. We are located in beautiful Uhrichsville, Ohio. For purchasing details please click on our link. Our Breeds We specialize in Standard Poodles, Labradoodles, English Cream Golden Retrievers, and Goldendoodles. At times we may showcase a different breed that we are selling for a friend so stay in touch for details Most of our puppies are sold with limited AKC or CKC registration for pet homes with pet pricing. If you are wanting full registration with breeding rights please contact us so we may talk. Mike Alice Moreland Owners Uhrichsville,Ohio 44683 home cell This is our beautiful Truffles she is now retired so you might find her laying any where around the house (when you click on the link to AllAboutPuppies, the account has been suspended).

Please read the section about choosing a good breeder.
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Let me put it this way: I have yet to see somebody who marketed their dogs as "English Creme" who was anywhere near the definition of "reputable" as set out by the Golden Retriever Club of America.

When I see somebody who calls their dogs "English Creme" and really does everything else right, I will post the thread on GRF myself because I think the membership would find it newsworthy.
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Welcome. I am so glad that you are seeking to be responsible in your puppy search. What you have read on this forum is true. It is best not to support breeders who use English Creme labels. The fact that she has 13 week old puppies is also a red flag as well as her trying to get rid of them since she is moving. It would be better to search elsewhere.

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Here are just a few of the many solid breeders in Ohio. There are lots of nice kennels in the midwest. Even if they don't have puppies, networking is a great way to come up with a perfect family member.

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440 647-1020

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