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Old 10-18-2012, 09:38 AM
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Beware of dancing gate

I am writing this, to create awareness with regards to 'DANCING GATE GOLDEN RETRIEVERS'. I would advise any future puppy owners to stay away from this place. It is exactly what one might call a puppy 'farm/mill'. There are about 60+ Golden retrievers and flat coat retrievers there, being bred to produce and unlimited supply of puppies. Please do not be fooled. The people there will lead you to believe that they have an extremely high standard of breeding, bombarding you with information on hip scores and eye tests and what not, however the majority of it is just one big lie. The whole farm just seems extremely dodgy, you cannot go around the back, you can only greet some of the dogs through a wired fence (probably because they don't want you to see how many dogs they REALLY have) They do not let you see the puppies or the mother until the day you get it. They just allocate you a puppy. The real reason as to why you don't get to see the puppies is probably because you would see the condtions in which they are kept in. You will be told that the reason you cannot see them is due to parvo virus. However if this is true, then why would every other reputable breeder allow you to see their puppies? The bitches are just mated far too often that deemed healthy. From the front entrance you can see about ten dogs all in kennels, but what you cannot see, is all the other dogs behind these. If you want a quality golden retriever, that will not end up with future health or behavioural problems do not buy a puppy from here. All you will be doing is promoting mass commercial breeding. PLEASE. THINK BEFORE YOU BUY.
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We have a 4 year old boy from Dancing Gate. Maybe we just got lucky, but he is in perfect health, beautifully tempered, excellent hips and eyes and smart as a whip. Our goldie is a stunning specimen and gets commented on by everyone who sees him. The reactions when we tell people we got him from Dancing Gate are priceless.

I agree that the process of buying him felt a bit strange at the time, but to say Joy doesn't care for her dogs or doesn't know what she's doing is absurd. Take the time to sit and speak to her (as we did) and you'll soon learn how much she loves her animals. She's been breeding goldies for more than 50 years, of course she has a lot of dogs around.

I have since seen a lot of this "Dancing Gate is a puppy mill" and general dog snobbery in the years since we got ours. Do your own research, take the time to speak to Joy at Dancing Gate about her dogs and her breeding history and then make up your own mind.
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We have a 4 year old boy from Dancing Gate. Maybe we just got lucky, but he is in perfect health, beautifully tempered, excellent hips and eyes and smart as a whip. Our goldie is a stunning specimen and gets commented on by everyone who sees him. The reactions when we tell people we got him from Dancing Gate are priceless.

I agree that the process of buying him felt a bit strange at the time, but to say Joy doesn't care for her dogs or doesn't know what she's doing is absurd. Take the time to sit and speak to her (as we did) and you'll soon learn how much she loves her animals. She's been breeding goldies for more than 50 years, of course she has a lot of dogs around.

I have since seen a lot of this "Dancing Gate is a puppy mill" and general dog snobbery in the years since we got ours. Do your own research, take the time to speak to Joy at Dancing Gate about her dogs and her breeding history and then make up your own mind.

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I understand what you are saying, we had in fact put a deposit on a puppy and we spoke to joy for a long long time, she seems like a lovely lady. She is. But it's all gotten a bit out of hand. Do you really agree on having more than 60+ dogs and using them to breed? Dogs are meant to be in a home and in a loving environment. Not locked in kennels. We went to different vets and they ALL told us to stay away from dancing gate. Do you think they told us that for no reason? They said that 90% of dogs they get from dancing gate end up with health problems and many of the people that we met who had dogs from dancing gate said not to go there. Not one person recommended it. Ask any reputable breeder whether they agree with not letting you see the puppy before putting a deposit. It's completely absurd. Joy will make you believe that what all the other breeders are doing is wrong, but how can she be the ONLY one with this rule? We even met with one of the lady's that used to work at golden gates who said it was awful and unsanitary and that was the reason they made you wipe your feet with disinfectant and why they let you only meet the dogs behind a gate. Because with having so many dogs there, they are all prone to disease. Especially the puppies. We have 3 people in our own neighbourhood who bought dogs from dancing gate and told us that they had fleas and all of them ended up with some sort of hip problem. I really do think that you have been extremely lucky! Of course all the dogs are lovely and friendly, most goldens are. It's the health problems that many are concerned about. As well as the way in which the dogs are kept. It's really not fair to keep dogs like that. Just have a proper think about it. We went there 3 months ago. And it was really ridiculous.
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I would NEVER see a reason to have that many dogs! No way they can all be quality and obedient and loved to the fullest in those circumstances :-(
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We have a 4 year old boy from Dancing Gate. Maybe we just got lucky, but he is in perfect health, beautifully tempered, excellent hips and eyes and smart as a whip. Our goldie is a stunning specimen and gets commented on by everyone who sees him. The reactions when we tell people we got him from Dancing Gate are priceless.

I agree that the process of buying him felt a bit strange at the time, but to say Joy doesn't care for her dogs or doesn't know what she's doing is absurd. Take the time to sit and speak to her (as we did) and you'll soon learn how much she loves her animals. She's been breeding goldies for more than 50 years, of course she has a lot of dogs around.

I have since seen a lot of this "Dancing Gate is a puppy mill" and general dog snobbery in the years since we got ours. Do your own research, take the time to speak to Joy at Dancing Gate about her dogs and her breeding history and then make up your own mind.
I am not responding to the intention of Dancing Gate as I don't have anything to verify them one way or another. I will give a comment to this situation as it exists in so many places.

At 4 years old you probably won't see the results yet of bad hips or eyes. Golden's parents and several generations should have minimum clearances for for hips, elbows, heart and eyes. If your puppies pedigree was not cleared there is a chance as he ages these things will effect him. It is very sad when a dog is 8-10 and could have a longer life in front of them but suffer from pain in the joints. They develop eye issues or have heart failure. This is just some things we can start to prevent. Smart, sweet and beautiful for a golden is not a sign of good breeding. Sick or poor breed puppies are just as cute as the healthy ones. I don't know what your strange process of getting the puppy was but if you can not visit or explore where they come from it is bad practice. Just because someone loves dogs or is nice does not make it acceptable how they breed dogs. There is a point to have to many dogs and breeding 50 years is not the reason. Did you verify with their vet to know ever dog on the property was being seen and getting the correct care at all times. Did you see their property to know the conditions are well kept, they are socialized, exercised and have human contact more then to have the dog bowl dropped in their cage? How often do they breed all the females and do they always use the same dogs? Are the breeding pairs only breed after two years old when clearances can be done? Are all the clearances valid and up to date? The love for animals is not the reason to get a dog from someone. Even hoarders love animals. This is not a form of snobbery but the need to know the intentions for caring about their dogs especially when considering breeding them. If some of these things are not being met then the underlining answer is they are not doing their best to properly caring for them. If a nice person convinces you this situation is a good place to get a puppy then you are being taken advantage of if want to accept it or not. If someone purchases a puppy from dogs without clearances or being able to see they are getting the best care then they are supporting mills or poor breeding practices. I feel if the puppy purchaser truly loves dogs and puppies they would not support the lack of care that is causing lots of dogs to suffer.
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Is this in Australia? Are you referring to Dancingate rather than Dancing Gate?

I see "WA" and I think "Washington," but is it West Australia?
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The criticisms here, if true, would be cause for concern, but a lot of it seems very speculative. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems a bit hasty to judge so severely based on the information given thus far.

Do we have any hard information on how many litters this breeder breeds every year? On whether clearances are being done or not done? Don't forget that if this is Australia, some of the best practices may be different than what the GRCA CoE presents.

I'm certainly not endorsing them, but Tunu, please understand that there's no way to verify any of what you've presented here.
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The criticisms here, if true, would be cause for concern, but a lot of it seems very speculative. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems a bit hasty to judge so severely based on the information given thus far.

Do we have any hard information on how many litters this breeder breeds every year? On whether clearances are being done or not done? Don't forget that if this is Australia, some of the best practices may be different than what the GRCA CoE presents.

I'm certainly not endorsing them, but Tunu, please understand that there's no way to verify any of what you've presented here.
I dont know about Oz but I do know that in Denmark for example these large commercial kennels are fairly common and some are very well respected... it is a different model than what we see here...
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I dont know about Oz but I do know that in Denmark for example these large commercial kennels are fairly common and some are very well respected... it is a different model than what we see here...
Even the GRCA is careful not to condemn breeders purely by volume. They do make a distinction that a High Volume Breeder, defined as 7+ litters a year, isn't the idea place to get a dog, but they also don't come out and condemn the practice.

While I personally would not ever get a dog from a kennel fitting the definition of an HVB and would never recommend one, I'm more concerned about clearances, temperament, and health issues than I am about the volume itself.
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Hi All,
I have concerns also of Dancing Gate located south of Perth, Western Australia. I was living in Karratha, WA and proceeded to purchase a puppy from Joy / Dancing Gate in September 2011. A work friend of mine had a Dancing Gate Male who was over a year old and seemed like a lovely dog, and I also knew of other families in the community who had Dancing Gate Dogs and they all seemed to be healthy looking animals. I contacted Joy after seeing her advertisement and we spoke over the phone numerous times before getting a pup as I was living 1600 kms north of Perth. Joy let me take the pup at 8 weeks (which I thought was really young - as my previous Golden Retriever which I purchased in NZ which is now 14.5 years of age was picked up at 12 weeks). I travelled to Perth personally to pick up my female pup and quite frankly was shocked by what I found. Joy assured me that she had been breeding dogs for years and that her dogs were the most well trained Golden Retreivers I'd ever see. On arrival Joy let me view the father of my pup behind a fence and when he was let out by one of Joy's workers he was probably the worst trained Retriever I'd ever seen - he was jumping all over Joy's worker and nearly knocked her over, and was basically uncontrollable. He did not come when he was called or anything! Not what I'd expect from a well trained dog. When I asked if I could view the Mother or any of the other puppies I was told that due to the risk of infection I was unable to. I also asked when my puppy had been weaned as I was concerned at taking the pup so early. Joy informed me that the puppy hadn't seen its Mother since it was 3 weeks old - I was like ***!! My puppy has grown into a beautiful dog who is now 16 months old, however from a young age I noticed her gait did not appear right and she seemed to waddle. A week ago she started limping and I've now had her examined and x-rayed by a vet and they have diagnosed her with hip dysplasia and she has had to start a treatment regime consisting of weekly injections and I'm going to start taking her to hydrotherapy etc. I viewed her x rays to which her hip sockets and neck of femurs aren't developed and are not sitting in the sockets well at all. I am now in for hefty vet bills and my dog requires life long medication and faces decreased quality of life (I had my dog fully insured in Australia - and have just moved back to NZ 2 months ago and cancelled the insurance and now this has happened!!) Joy told me she had hip scores and I took her word for it and never viewed them. I have now learnt from this mistake and will never get another puppy without doing a large amount of research. I also have massive concerns about what is behind closed doors at Joy's property. I would be interested to know how often the property is checked by authorities.
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