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#1 · (Edited)
I ran across this breeder's webpage while doing my nightly search of Golden Puppies in the area.

They look like a reputable breeder, what do you guy's think?

Sunset HHF Golden Retrievers - HOME - BANKS, OR

I would LOVE it if I could get my pup from a breeder, but the price always seems daunting to me(I know I know, saves money in the long run, price of health, ect. ect., it just seems like a lot!)

I'll probably end up rescuing from a local shelter(Assuming they'll let me have one with me living in a apt. and not having a fenced yard*yet, we're getting one soon-ish* which several of the local rescues/shelters have strict policy's on).
 
#53 ·
I agree with k9 Design about PennHip... Four problems I have with them being the sole source of a hip clearance. They are 1)no way to verify the data on line 2)age at which you can get the final evaluation 3)no pass or fail, just a DI which IMO is up to breeder interpretation on what is considered acceptable 4) no way to look up statistics for a particular breed. The vet who does it here in Maine says he cannot divulge those results to anyone, including a fellow veterinarian.

I also agree with k9Design, send all of your results in then there is no need for interpretation or misinformation.
 
#54 ·
Wyatt, the father of the current litter was bred before he got his elbow clearance. There is no PENNHIP equivalent for elbows. His clearances are listed on November 12th and the pups were born on October 22th.
 
#62 ·
Wyatt, the father of the current litter was bred before he got his elbow clearance. There is no PENNHIP equivalent for elbows. His clearances are listed on November 12th and the pups were born on October 22th.

No-there is not an equivalent for PennHIP for elbows and the COE for the GRCA is a guide. It is not punative and it is not written in stone.

There is so much valuable information on the forum and so many knowledgeable members. It saddens me when things denegrate into this type of thing. Unfortunately, every person who is going to breed or show starts out somewhere. Some do start out breeding first and then learn that there is a better way of doing things because they do join a club or start going to some classes and wind up doing some sort of competition with their dogs.

We are all individuals and so have our own thoughts on things. When I see someone making strides to improve upon the way they were doing things, I would rather encourage that behavior than beat them with a stick. That old you get more flies with honey thing. :)

I suppose in a few years, we will all know which way this breeder went but I still see it as a good sign that she is starting to get involved with doing things with her dogs, doing clearances and has joined a GR club. This will only provide her with more opportunities for education on how to do things the right way.
 
#55 · (Edited)
To SunnyCPE, I guess where some of the rabid interrogation comes from is that some of us were involved in breeding after we were involved with goldens in performance or conformation events...not the other way around.... If you, as a breeder, were involved as a member of a club, you would know the clearance expectations...
 
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#57 ·
thats hte thing that always bugs me is the putting the cart before the horse... the I am going to be a breeder.... they are not involved in the breed, they don't understand structure, they haven't learned what they need to do, they don't understand clearances and COI, they don't have a mentor but darn it they are gonna breed.... because their dogs are nice and puppies are cute. Do they love their dogs ?? I am sure they do but they haven't a clue what they are doing and they learn along the way... and then might compete later or not... drives me nuts...

I find this funny because breeding is my least favorite thing to do... I do it for the next generation but honestly I find the whole process stressful... from the finding a stud dog, to the breeding which can be risky, to watching my girl get bigger and bigger and hoping that everything will be ok in the whelping to having pups that fade and die or have birth defects (and it happens even when you do it all right) and finding families I trust etc etc... sure puppies are cute but honestly every time I breed I get a week out from whelping and think to myself "what was I thinking?" I am so afraid for my girl and what if something goes wrong and something happens to her and are the puppies gonna be ok ??? and and and I can't imagine doing this wihtout an experienced mentor holding my hand... and even now after whelping a bunch of litters of my own and for someone else it scares me to death... I honestly just don't get it...

Every time you breed a litter you take a risk with your beloved dog... every time... you never know what will happen... and to risk your girl because you think you are going to make a couple bucks is beyond me... absolutely beyond me
 
#56 ·
Actually, that video... On any given day the results can vary... If the pelvis is straight and the patellas are paralell,it is really not a lot up to supposition... The one girl I have that is fair is one of the soundest dogs Iwill ever own. I took her rads two days after her sister aborted a litter and she was not out of heat for one week. I gave her a drug, just to sedate her and she ended up barfing everything in her system... I was so afraid that I didn't clean her mouth out enough and she would aspirate, so I took,her pictures. She had horrible relaxation and I was ok with a fair. All of the others have had general anesthesia and gotten "goods". I thought about retaking the rad, but she is sound....
 
#58 ·
It's important to remember that that video is about how you can ruin a good hip score with a bad rad, not that OFA is capricious or unreliable. You also can't turn a bad hip into a good one with positioning.

As far as PennHIP, I'm happy to see it done ON TOP OF regular OFA clearances, but since they don't have an open database, I don't like to see it in lieu of OFA. Get the final OFAs. If you got a bad rad and a fail or a fair, then get a new rad.

Comet got a fair, but the positioning is pretty bad. Given the number of goods and excellents in his siblings and vertical pedigree, there's every change he'd get a good if it were redone. He's not a breeding dog, but I may get them redone at some point anyway.
 
#59 ·
Last year, I had my first ever c section in one of my girls...so stressful for the humans ...it was with a bitch with one prior litter of eight with no problems... So potentially,not a huge risk.. An emergency c section is no joke and if you do not know what to look for in a distressed bitch, then you should not be considering breeding..
 
#66 ·
If you go back and look at my previous post a few pages ago, all the dogs she is breeding now DO have hip and elbow clearances. Most also have their eyes and hearts listed on the OFA site as well.

This is where my contention comes from that maybe we need to take a step back. Someone posted in a first post that she had prelims listed on her website-which she does, but those dogs are not the parents of her puppies and she also lists a date that they will be going in for finals. So, I do not think she is being deceitful.
 
#68 ·
I think people here care so much about the breed that there is a tendency to pounce and pile-on whenever they find someone who doesn't appear to be doing everything perfectly. It's done for the best of motivations, but I wonder if it's sometimes harmful and a little quick to judgment. And perhaps some decent and good people who are learning, evolving or just don't have everything online get unfairly tarred.

I express no opinion on this breeder. I know nothing about her. My only observation is that sometimes this forum can be a bit quick to condemn. And yet, it's hard to condemn the condemnation, because it's done with good hearts and a fierce love of the breed.
 
#71 ·
Agreed...

That's not to say that I don't respect the breeders here, I do...

I took the info provided in the stickys and other threads and went straight to my breeder with my questions. For the information I have gotten here I am truly grateful..
 
#73 · (Edited)
I have a very hard time keeping it polite anymore. Two of my friends as well as myself have been put through the ringer on this forum one of them has been breeding for over 35 years and has many CH behind her kennel name.

All three of us are members in good standing with our local breed club. All of us do our clearances. Though some may not send them in to OFA to be recorded. Some use OFA for hips some use penn-hip, or both as a valuable tool.

The fact still remains no matter how good we are their are people on this forum that will go back 10 year and comment on things that are no longer relevant.

I also care deeply for breed and only want the best for it's future. I guess the difference between me and some on this forum is that I will go directly to the source/breeder before condemning. I just wish everyone would do the same.
 
#72 · (Edited)
Some of us newer golden people have shed tears in doing the right thing, and been held to high standards by mentors, inner ethics, and peer pressure too. I can count five us us easily who have had a beloved young dog fail a clearance, and all five did the right thing there- but it hurts. It is easy to come on too strong when someone else appears to bend rules you yourself must follow. . .
 
#74 ·
Some of us newer golden people have shed tears in doing the right thing, and been held to high standards by mentors, inner ethics, and peer pressure too. I can count five us us easily who have had a beloved young dog fail a clearance, and all five did the right thing there- but it hurts. It is easy to come on too strong when someone else appears to bend rule you yourself must follow. . .
And THANK GOODNESS you do, no matter how difficult it is. :thanks:
 
#76 ·
Clearences food for thought

A little on and a little off topic. Yes, when a anyone posts a do you know anything about this breeder, it can get invasive for that breeder. If they have a public website, that information is scrutinized. This is the public "face" of the breeder and should be carefully crafted to put your best foot forward and to share what you as a breeder are all about. Is every breeder a techie or equally talented at self promotion? No.

So, when I post to these threads I do additional research on clearences. If the breeder is in the US, I expect them to follow the GRCA COE, especially when they claim membership or link to the GRCA on there site. That would include submitting the records to CERF or OFA.

But, beyond the GRCA COE, it is my hope (I maybe a dreamer, but I'm not the only one) that all breeders love the breed and are doing the best they can with their knowledge to better it. If this is the case, please submitt the records. It really is very in expensive. Here are some thing you may have not thought about....

If you like to hold on to your records and don't submitt them to OFA, what happens if God forbid your house catches fire and destroys your paper records/computer records?
What do breeders in future do if a prolific breeder of great dogs dies and a grieving spouse gets rid of all the well documented tests?

Your tests are so important not only to you but to the future of this breed. Imagine if you have a fantastic dog that you can not prove clearences in his pedigree because of one of these losses. Will he be used by conscientious breeders? Or will they look to a different dog that has proven/recorded clearence for 5-6 generation?

What will puppy buyers and the general public think when most dogs have clearances verifiable online and you do not? Whether right or wrong it raises questions and you might never have the opportunity to address them because people will just move on.

So, to every breeder out there who currently does not send in there records, please do. I will thank you, puppy buyers will thank you and the breeders of the future will thank you.
 
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#82 · (Edited)
So, when I post to these threads I do additional research on clearences. If the breeder is in the US, I expect them to follow the GRCA COE, especially when they claim membership or link to the GRCA on there site. That would include submitting the records to CERF or OFA.

But, beyond the GRCA COE, it is my hope (I maybe a dreamer, but I'm not the only one) that all breeders love the breed and are doing the best they can with their knowledge to better it. If this is the case, please submitt the records. It really is very in expensive. Here are some thing you may have not thought about....

If you like to hold on to your records and don't submitt them to OFA, what happens if God forbid your house catches fire and destroys your paper records/computer records?
What do breeders in future do if a prolific breeder of great dogs dies and a grieving spouse gets rid of all the well documented tests?

Your tests are so important not only to you but to the future of this breed. Imagine if you have a fantastic dog that you can not prove clearences in his pedigree because of one of these losses. Will he be used by conscientious breeders? Or will they look to a different dog that has proven/recorded clearence for 5-6 generation?

What will puppy buyers and the general public think when most dogs have clearances verifiable online and you do not? Whether right or wrong it raises questions and you might never have the opportunity to address them because people will just move on.

So, to every breeder out there who currently does not send in there records, please do. I will thank you, puppy buyers will thank you and the breeders of the future will thank you.
While this may exist in a perfect world, it will never happen. We have a lot of golden breeders who have been breeding for 30-40 years who are also technology challenged and so these things are not important to them. Many don't have websites and I know a few who do not use email. Barbara Dismukes passed away a couple of years ago. She was Hunts Kennel and a huge force when goldens were in their infancy in the US. She never had email but her contribution to the breed spanned decades. Many of you probably have some of her dogs in your pedigrees. Matt- CH Shargleam Ferryman was a very influential sire of the time and while he does not carry the Hunts prefix, he was owned and had been imported by Barbara. We do have a historian for the breed and many of her personal effects that concerned the dogs were put into the GRCA archives. This is what typically happens with a breeder like that so the information is not lost.

There is such a thing as picking up a phone. :) In our world of high technology, everyone believes that everything should be at their fingertips. That will never happen with dogs. If something isn't listed, simply pick up the phone and call the breeder.

I also have to stress and this cannot be stressed enough-the GRCA COE is a GUIDELINE. It is not anything that is written in stone and nothing is going to happen to any breeder, if they chose not to follow it. Our COE even varies from that of other countries. The GRCA COE also does not say that the dogs must pass the clearances. It says that the clearances should be listed in an online database and there should be full disclosure. There are very many well known breeders who have done breedings outside the COE and if you shown in conformation, or have dogs that go back to conformation lines, those dogs are behind your dog.

As to your scenario of a fire or a breeder passing away.....this has happened many, many times over the years. The GRCA's COE was just changed about a year ago to reflect the changes you are discussing in regard to things being listed in a database. Goldens have obviously been around a lot longer than that. If dogs are used at stud or a bitch is bred, there are other people out there that have paper copies of the dog in questions clearances. Every stud packet I have ever recieved or given to anyone always has copies of the dogs clearances in it. There are also still many people who would like paper copies of an eye clearance so they can see/read any notations that have been made in the remarks section of the Eye Exam form(I am writing eye exam form because the Diplomates recently decided to stop backing CERF and now use OFA for eye exams and as a registry)

The breeders that I know of that do not routinely send in other information, besides hip and elbow clearances since those are added when the clearance is done, do not have any issues with placing their dogs because their repuation precedes them. Why do people come on here asking about a particular breeder at all when information can easily be verified online? Because it is more than just that information that makes a great breeder. It is the care and raising of the dogs/puppies, how they deal with the puppy buyers before and after the sale, etc.
 
#77 ·
What a great post, LJack.

Your tests are so important not only to you but to the future of this breed. Imagine if you have a fantastic dog that you can not prove clearences in his pedigree because of one of these losses. Will he be used by conscientious breeders? Or will they look to a different dog that has proven/recorded clearence for 5-6 generation?
Good point. Most people will move to another dog, of course. But for those that choose to breed to this dog, it affects decisions in future generations, as well. Breeders looking at ancestral clearances will see the lack and decide not to breed to the offspring of this dog, or the grandchildren of this dog. It doesn't affect just this dog, it ripples through time if anyone does breed to the dog.

What will puppy buyers and the general public think when most dogs have clearances verifiable online and you do not? Whether right or wrong it raises questions and you might never have the opportunity to address them because people will just move on.
Unfortunately, there will always be buyers for puppies whose parents lack clearances. Most puppy buyers don't know and don't care about these things. They see a cute, healthy-looking puppy and a lovely healthy-looking mama, and the moment that puppy leans up against them all other thoughts leave the buyer's head and the puppy is sold.
 
#78 ·
Unfortunately, there will always be buyers for puppies whose parents lack clearances. Most puppy buyers don't know and don't care about these things. They see a cute, healthy-looking puppy and a lovely healthy-looking mama, and the moment that puppy leans up against them all other thoughts leave the buyer's head and the puppy is sold.
Guess I should have clarified...educated puppy buyers. And yes there will always be uneducated buyers or buyer who don't care.:(
 
#84 ·
I see that one of her dogs now has elbow/hip clearances. The film date was August 1st, two days before I posted here, so they were not on OFA when I had looked.


I am not trying to point a finger at anyone. :) What I am saying and your post above confirms that, is that this particular breeder has taken the time and done the right thing and there are clearances posted on the dogs that are being bred. It isn't just one dog. If you look at the litter she has now, the hip and elbow clearances are there. The same for the litter that is due soon. The others are in the planning stages and she lists on her website when final clearances will be done. Most breeders do make breeding plans pending the outcome of final clearances.
 
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#87 ·
"my mistake was in only typing in the kennel name on OFA..."


Why would this be a mistake? I did that with the breeder that I'll get my next Dane from. Check the link, all her dogs come up, even the ones that aren't being bred at this time. She has pages and pages of CHIC dogs. This is what, IMO, every breeder should strive for. Is that too much to ask for in a breeder? I really don't think so...

Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
 
#88 · (Edited)
It was a mistake because she has a dog that does not have the kennel name. I incorrectly assumed she did not do hip or elbow clearances when in fact, the dam of her current litter had all four clearances. She did not have the kennel name in her registered name so she did not show up when I typed in her kennel name. I had incorrectly stated this breeder did not have hip or elbows on ANY of her dogs.


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#94 ·
Hvgolden4, I agree with a lot of what you say. You do make some excellent points.

Just want to point out that breeders who can get a test, write the check, lick the stamp and mail the envelope, should be able to do so on all the clearences.

I do believe that a large part of breeder choice does come down to building a relationship and that does include phone and face to face interaction. Competition and clearences are only a part of the picture when it comes to selecting a good breeder.

Just talking for my teaching background, long time breeders will be shooting themselves and the breed in the foot if they obstenently refuse to take at least some tiny steps to make themselves or their dogs information more available online.

I train folks as new hires to my organization. The majority are entry level and there for are Gen y or millinials. This level of connectivity is an expectation for these generations and this is also our next generation of breeders. If the information is not out there it is a good possibility they will move on to someone that does. Whether you feel this is right or wrong it will increasingly become an expectation. I know of breeders now that when looking for boys to breed to will knock dogs of the list if the clearences are not verifiable online. It would be sad to overtime to loose the contributions great dogs can make because the lack of mailing in a clearence.

So, I will always be an advocate for reporting the test results because in the end: it is not about the minimal cost, it is not about a need for control over our information, it is not about "creating" a reason people have to call me, it is not about my lack of tech knowledge, it is not about failing to embrace change, it is about the future of the breed that I love.

You will never here me stop saying to all breeders, everywhere, of every breed if you test please send it in.

I will keep dreaming of a world when the Code of Ethics created to protect our breed is adhered to. And of course the sky will be gold and money will grow on trees:D
 
#101 ·
Hvgolden4, I agree with a lot of what you say. You do make some excellent points.

Just want to point out that breeders who can get a test, write the check, lick the stamp and mail the envelope, should be able to do so on all the clearences.
Ok, lets step back again. :) We are talking about long time breeders....when Barbara D passed away, she was well into her 80's and yes, she was still active with her dogs up until the last couple years. So, you believe that someone who has been doing things a certain way for 30, 40 or 50 years is all of a sudden going to change the way that they do things because the GRCA says it is easier for people to verify things that way?? Again, in that perfect world. :) I am not making excuses, but I just don't see this happening.

We have also had many discussions about the costs associated with raising and breeding and showing goldens. The costs are obscene and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. There are also many breeders who have a big beef with the fact that these charges are on top of the clearances themselves and they have issues with the fact that the OFA will accept a heart clearance from a practioner, when it is supposed to be done by a cardiologist and that CERF charges every year on top of paying for the actual exam and they also charge the parent clubs for any information that they need. So, there are also some politics involved with the issue, as well.

As the costs, yes, it is $8 per year to recertify a dogs eyes. The GRCA is also now asking that all dogs who have ever been bred have their eyes done annually. A lot of breeders also don't agree with that. If the dogs are in their possession, they will continue to have their eyes done. But, many are placed after they are retired and while they can ask someone who then owns the dog to take them, it then becomes out of their control. For example, we usually do place our girls after they are retired. I explain to people about the eye issues and tell them I will pay for an exam, if there is a clinic nearby, great-many will take them. I do however, have one that the closest optho would be 5 hrs from her. Sorry, I do not see this pet owner, who is a single woman in her late 60's driving 5 hours one way to have a dogs eyes checked and I am not going to beat her over the head about it. We all do the best that we can. So, now we have $8 for every dog that we are currently showing, breeding and every dog that has ever been bred and then we also have to factor in the fact that the exam is anywhere from $35 to 50 per dog as well. This is not something that is inexpensive, as many would like to think and this is also something that is part of the new COE.

Moving on thru the COE. It is a guideline, it was never meant to be punative in nature. As I had stated in a previous post, nothing will happen to any breeder who does not follow the COE and it is a guideline because breeding dogs is not black and white. The longer someone is involved in dogs and breeding, the more shades of gray they will see. There are many things that need to be taken into consideration. For example, with elbows...other countries(notably in Europe) do not have an issue with breeding a dog with a grade 1 elbow, if the dog is asymptomatic. WHAT, you say?? Why would anyone ever do that??

Well, again, things are not black and white. There are many times that dogs are submitted to one registry and don't clear and will be submitted to another registry and do clear. This is a radiologists opinion from a 1 dimensional xray of a 3 dimensional joint. Because of the nature of the elbow joint, it is also more susceptible to wear any tear, than the hips would be. If you were to ask a radiologist if you could difinitively tell from an xray that a dog that was said to have grade 1 elbows, truly had elbow dysplasia, the answer would be no. There are different things that they look at with the elbow and some can be seen without question. But, many elbows that don't clear, appear to be normal on an xray. This is where we get into a gray area. The only true way to tell that one of those dogs had elbow dyslpasia would be to do surgery and look. Well, obviously, that isn't acceptable as a means for a clearance to have every dog have surgery to look at their elbows. So, we work with what we have available.

I do know of breeders who have bred grade 1 elbows(the dog had been hit by a car and was grade 1 on the side they were hit by a car on) and is now 4 generations removed from that dog and none of her offspring that have been checked have failed elbows-and a considerable number of them have been checked because they were in show homes.

I think that most people who are involved in any facet of conformation with their goldens knows who CH Amberac's Asterling Aruba was. Aruba's mother did not have a hip clearance. There are many, many generations removed from Aruba now and those lines don't show a higher rate of hip dysplasia than others. Another very well known dam is CH Aspenglo Angel Fire. Angel was a BIS winning girl who had quite a few littermates that did pass hips, but she did not. She was bred and her production record for hips is actually above the breed average, probably due to the stud dogs that were chosen for her and the fact that their hip production records were very strong.

I could go on and on about dogs that were bred "against" the COE that is in place right now-I should also state that back when Angel and Aruba were bred, there was not a COE but it was accepted practice at the time that hip and eye clearances were done.

We also now have DNA tests available for goldens. I see a lot of posts saying that all breeders should be doing those tests as well. The GRCA has not made an advisement in regard to those tests because there are a lot of things to consider with the decision to test or not should include considerations such as: the seriousness of the disease, the reliability of the test, the prevalence of the disease in the breed, and the presence of affected or carrier dogs in the vertical pedigree.

So, we now need a dog with a great temperament, a dog that possesses good aptitude in the field, a dog that meets the golden retriever standard, a dog who passes hip, eye, heart and elbow exams and along with all the DNA tests and has titles to demonstrate their abilities. Hmmmm....then I see posts about how bad linebreeding is and how high is too high for a COI. As we do more and more testing, we will limit the gene pool further and further and continue to decrease the genetic diversity of the golden retriever. Because of all these things, the COE is a guideline. The dog who fails a clearance while the littermates have all cleared, statistically is better off than the one dog from the litter who passed its clearances when the rest of the litter failed.

These are some of those gray areas that I am talking about when breeding and why I say that breeding is more of an art than just a science. There are far more considerations involved with breeding than I could ever really touch on in a post here.

I understand that we are all passionate about the dogs that we all love and hold dear. I ask that people not be quite so judgemental and sometimes understand that you have to look and think outside the box to "get it". It truly is one of those "until you have walked a mile in my shoes" kind of things. I read some of the posts on the forum and I used to be that person 20 years ago, before I knew how very much more was involved and how many more things needed to be considered.
 
#104 ·
Wow, I think you should see a championship through from beginning to end, and then put a field trail title on a dog, before you make broad statements about what the dogs are like deep-down. This sounds like sour grapes from someone who has not done the work in either venue.
 
#105 ·
Breeding horses and breeding dogs is two different things. It is more than a little irresponsible to come on the forum and accuse breeders who have been doing it for many, many years of not breeding to the standard when you have very little experience with the breed.

Very few people are handed things in life on a silver platter. If you want dogs from champion lines that are correct and can do the job that they were bred to do, and believe me, there are plenty of them out there who can, you need to step outside your little world and show that you are actually serious about the breed.

Breeders, like myself, are cautious with our dogs and our breeding programs because we have put years and years into developing these dogs and don't want to see it ruined because someone is breeding irresponsibly.

No one handed me a thing-I did it all the old fashioned way-I worked my butt off. I started in goldens doing competitive obedience and put real titles with good scores on those dogs and was invited to Gaines and Pupperoni Events with those dogs. Those things showd conformation breeders that I was serious and that I was committed to the dogs in my care.

No one taught me how to groom, no one taught me how to handle and no one taught me pedigrees. I worked, I worked some more and I researched and I learned these things.

What good does it do if a dog has coat and is pretty if it can't move?? There are dogs who have all three-brains, beauty and they fit the standard.

I really feel it is beyond disrespectful to come on the forum with this type of post. You can get good dogs and go to good trainers but it takes work in a breed as popular and competitive as goldens.

I honestly don't know how many titled and champion Harborview dogs there are but I have been an owner, breeder, handler to many as well as earning group placements on many, too. There are dogs with hunt titles, obedience titles, breed chmapionships, therapy dog titles, agility titles and tracking titles. Now you are coming on this forum and telling ME that I am doing things the wrong way??

I am always open to learning and a good breeder is, but I would suggest you take a good hard long look in the mirror. AS the old saying goes, when you start pointing a finger at others, there are more pointing back at you.

Jennifer Craig
Harborview Goldens
 
#106 ·
my apologies

Jennifer,
I appreciate your hard work and all you have done and will continue to do. I also appreciate your well thought out responses.

I was not and do not intend to point fingers at anyone. I was simply frustrated and hurt by people that don't know me. And, sometimes the best response is no response.

Learning as always...
Trisha
 
#107 ·
Jennifer,
I appreciate your hard work and all you have done and will continue to do. I also appreciate your well thought out responses.

I was not and do not intend to point fingers at anyone. I was simply frustrated and hurt by people that don't know me. And, sometimes the best response is no response.

Learning as always...
Trisha

Trisha,
I can certainly understand that people's words can hurt. People were commenting on the information on your website and on the OFA. Yes, we are always learning and most times, our actions speak louder than our words. :)

I hope you continue with what you have started and keep on the right path. If that happens, instead of negative things, you will hear positive things. But yes, it takes time and hard work.
 
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