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I think you should back away, far far away from these people. It doesn't seem like a good breeder, to me. Find a more reputable breeder in your area, please.

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For what it's worth I got my pup from this breeder and I'm beyond happy with her. We looked for many months at different sires, dams, and pups and found a wonderful 5 months old pup in April of 2012. She's now just over a year old and is a beautiful, well behaved girl. I own and run a company that organizes youth programs and specifically wanted a pup with a temperament that would be adequate for being around the children so that I could take her to work with me. The kids love her and she loves them. I'm now working with her to train her as a therapy dog as well as I began taking her to the nursing home to visit my grandmother and many of the residents just light up when they see that she's come to visit. Your mileage may vary, but I'm happy. She's easy going, very trainable, great around the kids (ages 2-16) and elderly, and has been very healthy (no allergies, joint problems, etc.).
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AllisonK thank you for sharing your experience. All the things you are talking about are why I LOVE this breed! I think my girl is about the same age as yours. She is so smart it is amazing. We actually took and passed the CGC at 7 months on the fly. We were showing in conformation and a friend of mine said they had a slot open right right before hers. We literally jogged right from the breed ring to the evaluator, borrowed a buckle collar and nailed it.

I hope you have many happy and healthy years with your girl.

I really do wish that the information on the web site was more clear. Honestly, you can not verify much of the clearances she is stating she has on many of her dogs. It would be very helpful to have the registered name in addition to the call name as it would remedy the lack of verifiable clearances. She has a Bradley x Spring litter coming up and I was not able to find Spring at all and I tried everything I could think of. It makes it very difficult for puppy buyers who need to do their due diligence on clearance verification when just call names are given. I am hoping they are really doing the core four as they state on the website, but no matter who you buy from always verify the clearances.

Personally, for the asking price I would prefer full clearences and that the parents were doing something like UKC shows, obiedence, field, agility, tracking, or rally.


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And still, even with all the clearances and the titles of the parents for 5 generations etc sometimes is just the luck of the draw.


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And still, even with all the clearances and the titles of the parents for 5 generations etc sometimes is just the luck of the draw.
All the more reason to shave the dice, stack the deck, and count the cards in every conceivable way to ensure the dog has proper temperament and lives a good long age free from health issues.
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All the more reason to shave the dice, stack the deck, and count the cards in every conceivable way to ensure the dog has proper temperament and lives a good long age free from health issues.
No, it is what it is - The Luck of the Draw. Nothing is actually guaranteed!


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No, it is what it is - The Luck of the Draw. Nothing is actually guaranteed!
Seriously? You think a 20% chance of HD is the same risk as a 10% chance? It all comes down to luck? I agree that any dog, no matter how careful you are, can still end up with a hereditary condition, but saying it's the luck of the draw implies that it's not worth shaving your odds.

When you go to a casino and see the millions they're raking in, it's because the odds on each game are in the house's favor. The occasional gambler walks out with a big payoff, but the house wins, overall, vastly more money from the customers than the customers ever will from the house. It's the luck of the draw, but in the long run, the house wins huge.
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sorry tippy - I don't gamble so I will let others entertain your casino analogy.
The only way a reputable breeder guarantees the health is by offering to take that pup back. Sorry, I do not do that either.


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sorry tippy - I don't gamble so I will let others entertain your casino analogy.
The only way a reputable breeder guarantees the health is by offering to take that pup back. Sorry, I do not do that either.
Nobody can guarantee that a puppy will be healthy, and I agree that exchanging a puppy isn't a realistic way to deal with hereditary disease. My point is simply that not all events involving luck are equal, and failing to stack the odds in a puppy's favor is unethical.
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