I'm new to this forum, and Golden Retrievers in general. I spoke with her on the phone, and everything seems legit, but was wondering if anyone here has experience dealing with this breeder, or knows someone who has.
I would find a different breeder. It looks like they do hips and elbows on some of their dogs, but what about eyes and hearts? Also, it doesn't look like they show in any kind of venue.
The use 'English creme' as a marketing ploy... bad sign.
I'm new to this forum, and Golden Retrievers in general. I spoke with her on the phone, and everything seems legit, but was wondering if anyone here has experience dealing with this breeder, or knows someone who has.
Thanks for your input, but you didn't give any reasons. I see you're from MN. Are you familiar with this breeder, or do you have other reasons? Can you recommend any breeders in the area?
Reputable fanciers of the English style do not market their dogs as "cremes". They are referring to dogs as "Full English" but they are not English imports--instead they appear to be from Eastern Europe and maybe Scandinavia from what I can tell of the limited names posted.
Here is a better place to start looking if you are interested in the English style. English Goldens in North America - Litters - Breeders - Stud Dogs It also has a good explanation of what to look for in a good breeder and some of the warning signs that point to a "white golden" pusher.
I have to say that I find their "guarantee" to be a bit of a sham as it requires the return of the original puppy. Of the breeders I know with guarantees, no one requires the return of the original puppy. The only reason I can think of to require the return of the puppy, is because the breeder knows that most people will not do that, as they will become attached to the puppy.
Beware with the "English Cream" come on. These dogs originate in Eastern Europe and come with a whole lot of baggage. The white color is a genetic variant. Its no indication the dog originated in England or Scotland. There is a lot of hype associated with this dog, and the price may reflect this. Some breeders may take advantage of this and you may be blinded to underlying disease. English Creams do not have genetic preponderance to cancer, hips and eyes more than any other retriever.
You bring a Golden into your life not because of the color, but because of the breed.
I have not heard anything bad about this breeder, but just going through the web site sends up red flags.
There are some " English Cream " breeders I would avoid like the plague. They are documented on this forum and others.
We got an English Cream some years ago. It was a disaster.
Thanks for all of your responses. I don't have a color requirement, but ran across the website and was stricken by the beauty of the dogs. I was not aware of potential problems with these dogs or the breeders. For all I know, they may be legit, but after further research, and from the advice I've received here, my search continues. I can't believe how difficult it is to find a breeder that meets all of the requirements listed in some of the articles I've read.
If anyone can recommend a good breeder in my area, I would appreciate it....Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, etc. I live in Minnesota but am willing to travel a bit if necessary.
Hi, I actually have bought from this breeder, Elaine, and she is wonderful. I went out to their place and you could see how wonderfully they take care of their dogs. She is a wonderful person who explains it all to you. You can tell that they take care of their puppies with love. I've had Sadie, my dog from Elaine, for two years and I've had no problems with her or the breeder. Sadie is wonderful, she's helped me through a lot of tough times and I'm grateful to have her. I am planning on buying another puppy from Elaine, because Sadie is so wonderful. I wouldn't listen to the people that haven't bought from her to make your choice on what breeder to buy from. Actually take advise from people who have actually bought from her. So please reconsider her, cuz she's the best breeder I've found around this area.
Doolin goldens is in Wisconsin (i think) and they have BEAUTIFUL dogs. Sophies mom Sophie and Sawyer are from there and they are the cutest dogs! Thats about the only breeder I am familiar with in that area Im sure other members will chime in
There is nothing wrong with a dog of UK origin but the problem can be finding a reputable breeder and because of the hype surrounding this style there are 10 bad breeders for every one reputable breeder....
There ARE reputable breeders of English style dogs... but finding them can be a bit more work. If you don't care then just find a reputable breeder and don't worry about the rest ...
^ what Shalva said. There has been many people using the 'english creme' as a marketing tool and do nothing with their dogs. If you search 'english creme breeders' in the search you'll find many debates.
Tom and Mary have a good reputation from what I know of them. Nice dogs--one of their boys was WD at the Canadian National in 2010--a very handsome boy.
Have you contacted your local golden retriever club? Ours has a list of breeders who are all members of the club, the ckc (I'm in Canada), do needed clearances and establish life long relationships with their puppies people. I would not consider a breeder in our area who is not a member of the club.
Thanks for that. I did not know that there would be a local club. It turns out there is. There's actually a contact person for people looking for a breeder.
There's also a listing on the site for 2 puppies with impressive pedigrees that were born on Nov. 3rd. Breeders Page I'm curious as to why these dogs are still available. I may call to find out.
Welcome to the forum. :wavey:I recently asked for breeders is WI. Here is a link to the thread: http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...er-puppy/107421-breeders-west-central-wi.html
I hope it helps you. I know everyone here has helped me figure out what we are looking for and where to look. We are hoping to get a puppy from Linda/Tahnee this spring. :crossfing You'll have to decide what kind of dog you want and then everyone here can help you find the right breeder. Where in MN are you? You could contact your local club for a breeder referral list.
Yes-and I know that he and Kristin aren't planning any litters for a very long time They were kind enough to share a girl from their last litter (Smidge to Sydney) with me. I'm hoping to convince them to take a puppy out of Suva in a few years when it is (hopefully) her time for puppies
Hi, first off let me say that I'm new here so take what I say with a grain of salt. I happen to be a fan of the so called English type golden retrievers. I happen to like the look of the lighter golden vs the darker red colors that you see. I also happen to like the blockier look that is associated with the English type. With that being said... I agree with half of what's being said . You should get your dog from a reputable breeder that does all the tests. You do this for a couple of reasons, it promotes the breed and good dogs being bred and it may save you a ton of heartache and money because you got a dog with a lot of problems throughout thier lives .
The part I disagree with is when people tell you that you shouldn't choose a dog that you like. If you like the English type get one. Nearly everyone here got the dog they liked. They looked at the parents, looked at the pups and picked up the one that grabbed thier heart.
I did the same thing as you. I found a dog that looked good then came here and asked. I pretty much got the same response as you. I took thier advise and kept looking. I found an experienced breeder that showed all thier results of thier testing. I'm
Picking up my pup March 10th
Thanks again for all of your replies. Prior to asking about the questions yesterday, I knew next to nothing about selecting a breeder. You've helped immensely. I stumbled across this forum by accident. I'm glad I found it.
I'm in contact with Cedar Goldens, and another breeder from Minnesota. Tomorrow, I plan to contact the local Golden Retriever Club for their input as well.
Jane Docter of Docmar Goldens is a truly outstanding breeder who has impeccible ethics! I know she is waiting to see if one of her girls is pregnant but know she often has a long waiting list. Waiting can be hard but honestly when you hope this dog will be with your for the next 10-15 years - what is 6 months to a year of waiting? She is located in Duluth.
I'll second the vote for Jane-she is a very careful breeder, and breeds for the whole package!
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