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I really don't understand the 'punishment'. Seems to me the fine punishes ALL the students attending the school as well as state and federal tax payers. Erasing all the wins? Seems pointless. No bowl games of scholarships? Again punishes the students. They say the football players can transfer to any team they want (I'm sure it's not quite that simple less than a month before the season starts) but what does that do to the parents who's dream is was to have a son play for Penn State. Maybe their alma mater. This whole thing is so off balance, imho.

The real culprits here are the coaches and admin who knew about the abuse and turned away. Shouldn't the punishment be indictment of all who knew and jail time? Shouldn't they have to register as sex offenders too? Because apparently they will allow children to be sexually abused if it helps win football games. That makes them pedofiles, too, if it works to their advantage.

I don't understand why thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with this are paying the price.
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I really don't understand the 'punishment'. Seems to me the fine punishes ALL the students attending the school as well as state and federal tax payers. Erasing all the wins? Seems pointless. No bowl games of scholarships? Again punishes the students. They say the football players can transfer to any team they want (I'm sure it's not quite that simple less than a month before the season starts) but what does that do to the parents who's dream is was to have a son play for Penn State. Maybe their alma mater. This whole thing is so off balance, imho.

The real culprits here are the coaches and admin who knew about the abuse and turned away. Shouldn't the punishment be indictment of all who knew and jail time? Shouldn't they have to register as sex offenders too? Because apparently they will allow children to be sexually abused if it helps win football games. That makes them pedofiles, too, if it works to their advantage.

I don't understand why thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with this are paying the price.
I honestly think they are making an example of Penn State and saying this is what will happen if you put football above safety and allow the sports culture to be above all else.... This culture they are talking about is not uncommon at these big sports schools. That is what they are trying to get at, the culture of the school and letting the other big schools know that this culture can not exist. I know that at the division 1 school where I got my PhD the professors and staff were constantly complaining that if they had a problem with a student who was on the football team they were not allowed to address the issue with the student themselves, they had to go through the coaches.

I have no issue with the punishment honestly. I would guess that the students who wish to transfer will have no problem transferring and are probably already being recruited. The reality is that college and university is about learning first. In our society we have mixed that up. The students who want to continue to play at Penn State because that was their parents dream for them CAN continue to do that... without the hoopla... The students who lost their wins well unless they are in the pros does it really matter and those in football will know what happened. The key is to keep Paterno who covered this up out of the record books and rewarded for putting football over the children who were injured.

Honestly, its football, its a game... a game that they put over the childrens health and well being... I am less than sympathetic

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I don't know. Ask the students, fans and citizens of Dallas who were harmed by the Death Penalty that was levied against SMU several years ago, for nothing to do with permanently scarring and ruining the lives of children, just recruiting violations and payments to players. If they were going to penalize the team, they should additionally give them the Death Penalty. JMO only.
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I certainly can see your point..and theirs. When I say I don't understand what I think I mean is that sending all their sorry *sses to jail for a good long time would send a bigger message.

I agree that football is supposed to be just a game. It started out as an adjunct to their physical and mental health along with studies. And now has turned into this multi-million dollar BUSINESS that is riddled with abuse of one kind of another. The saddest abuse, I think, is that so many of these young men "graduate" and can't put together a coherent sentence and know nothing of the world around them. But they sure learned football. Maybe it's time to separate football from colleges and develop 'trade' schools that do nothing but teach how to be a pro football player. Why not recognize what the college programs really are and separate them out. I know it's not a realistic challenge.
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I don't know. Ask the students, fans and citizens of Dallas who were harmed by the Death Penalty that was levied against SMU several years ago, for nothing to do with permanently scarring and ruining the lives of children, just recruiting violations and payments to players. If they were going to penalize the team, they should additionally give them the Death Penalty. JMO only.
My understanding is that was the one and only time the "Death Penalty" was used, and they had no idea that the program would never recover. SMU was a force, winning national championships several years. After the sanctions, that program has never been the same. I don't believe they wanted to ever do that to a school again (IMO).

I too agree that they people responsible should be jailed, if possible. I think there must have been an awful lot of people who looked the other way. But their fine, is one years revenues from a football season, hardly a slap on the hand!


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I think it's a rush to judgement, a "we need to do something right away or people will think we're not doing anything." In my mind, and I am NOT a football fan, don't understand why anyone would root for a college team unless it's their alma mater,this is just punishing people who had nothing to do with what went on years ago.
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I really don't understand the 'punishment'. Seems to me the fine punishes ALL the students attending the school as well as state and federal tax payers. Erasing all the wins? Seems pointless. No bowl games of scholarships? Again punishes the students. They say the football players can transfer to any team they want (I'm sure it's not quite that simple less than a month before the season starts) but what does that do to the parents who's dream is was to have a son play for Penn State. Maybe their alma mater. This whole thing is so off balance, imho.

The real culprits here are the coaches and admin who knew about the abuse and turned away. Shouldn't the punishment be indictment of all who knew and jail time? Shouldn't they have to register as sex offenders too? Because apparently they will allow children to be sexually abused if it helps win football games. That makes them pedofiles, too, if it works to their advantage.

I don't understand why thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with this are paying the price.
I was saying this same exact thing last night!!'
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My son got a full scholarship to Brigham Young University. So I know about scholarships, etc. And NO player can decided he wants to go to X school and just waltz in at this late date. Most already have their scholarships filled. They are allowed so many and that is it. So jut saying those players can go "to any school they choose" is not correct, at least as far as scholarships go, and maybe as far as team rostes go.

I think it is wrong to punish the kids. I remember way back when we did not let our athletes go to the olympics. I could see and understand the reason, but at the same time, those atheltes haqd worked and trained most of their lives to get to the olympics and were denied the chance, and may were to old to compete 4 years later. I felt so sorry for those kids.

I guess they are trying to make an "example" of Penn state, but you don't burn down the barn to get rid of a few rats.

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This is my opinion on the PSU issue.

a $60 million fine---- I agree with.

40 fewer football scholarships.... Is fine with me.

vacating of all football wins from 1998 to 2011...... I can see why they did this as it was the time the coaches and and certain leaders of the university knew about Sandusky.

a four-year ban on bowls I do not agree with as this is hurting people and students now that had nothing to do with the matters in the past.
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Very well put!!!!

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